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Old 09-29-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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I noticed some uncontrolled variables in that snippet from IIHS right off the bat. Like how they say that small cars are more likely to have insurance claims in general, without controlling for the likely age of the driver of the respective vehicles: small cars are more likely to have younger drivers, who are always more likely to have insurance claims. I'm sure with a deeper look, there would be more of the same.

Not making a judgement about the relative safety of the Smart car in particular, but really the only thing you have going for you in a bigger vehicle is more mass. That can be compensated for with good design.
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Guys, you really can't win here with the irrefutable laws of physics and the human body. Some people can't be convinced.
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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I noticed some uncontrolled variables in that snippet from IIHS right off the bat. Like how they say that small cars are more likely to have insurance claims in general, without controlling for the likely age of the driver of the respective vehicles: small cars are more likely to have younger drivers, who are always more likely to have insurance claims. I'm sure with a deeper look, there would be more of the same.

Not making a judgement about the relative safety of the Smart car in particular, but really the only thing you have going for you in a bigger vehicle is more mass. That can be compensated for with good design.
Well, you know what they say about statistics...

Regardless, the actual test of the smart being slammed into the C300 is pretty convincing and I don't see any "variables" that were unaccounted for in that test. As for "only having more mass", well that matters a lot when it comes to a crash. You are correct that good design can compensate, hence why the smart doesn't simply explode into a million pieces in an accident. The problem is good design can only go so far.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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I had a CRX Si. and yeah, it's about what the Smart could be. But no one MAKES a CRX anymore, and if you're talking safety, sorry, but a Smart is safer than a '91 CRX HF by a MILE.
2011 Honda CR-Z Overview - Official Honda Site
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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I still wouldn't be caught dead in one.....or maybe I would.













think about it.
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Old 09-30-2011, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I still wouldn't be caught dead in one.....or maybe I would.













think about it.
After much mental laboring -- like approximately .08 seconds worth -- I finally got your meaning. Yuk yuk!
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I saw one of those cars while I was out biking.
So for those who have not seen one, here is a photo:
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Old 10-05-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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I'm not a fan of the Smart car. I wouldn't own one. But I did see a rig like this going down the highway a few weeks ago and thought that this is the coolest use for a Smart.

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Old 10-05-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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I'm not a fan of the Smart car. I wouldn't own one. But I did see a rig like this going down the highway a few weeks ago and thought that this is the coolest use for a Smart.
Auxillary fuel tank?
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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The crash test numbers for trucks don't really look that much better, some actually worse. This chart is from Consumer Reports, discussing the NHTSA ratings for trucks. Full link below. Note that the Kia Soul, Mazda 3, and Hyundai Sonata are included for comparison. The Smart doesn't seem to fare too badly. I'm not a huge fan, but I do want to give credit where it's due.



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Make and model Overall frontal crash rating Overall side crash rating Rollover rating Overall vehicle score
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4WD/RWD 5 5 4 5
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab Hybrid 4WD/RWD 5 5 4 5
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Extended Cab 4WD/RWD 4 5 4 4
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Regular Cab 4WD/RWD 4 5 4 4
Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab 2 5 4 3
Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab 4WD 2 5 3 3
Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 2 5 4 3
Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4WD 2 5 3 3
Dodge Ram 1500 Regular Cab 2 5 4 3
Dodge Ram 1500 Regular Cab 4WD 2 5 3 3
GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab 4WD/RWD 5 5 4 5
GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab Hybrid 4WD/RWD 5 5 4 5
GMC Sierra 1500 Extended Cab 4WD/RWD 4 5 4 4
GMC Sierra 1500 Regular Cab 4WD/RWD 4 5 4 4
GMC Yukon Hybrid 5 N/A 3 N/A
GMC Yukon Hybrid 4WD 5 N/A 3 N/A
Honda CR-Z 3 3 5 3
Hyundai Sonata (Built on or after Sept. 7th) N/A 5 5 N/A
Kia Soul 4 5 4 4
Mazda3 4-door 5 2 4 4
Mazda3 5-door 5 2 4 4
Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab RWD 3 5 4 4
Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab AWD 3 5 4 4
Consumer Reports crash test ratings
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