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Old 01-19-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Unless the quality and reliability of domestic cars increases dramatically, I'll stick with Japanese cars. I've had Toyotas and Nissans that have lasted me close to 200K miles each. My husband had a Chevy that didn't even make it to 100K miles before it broke down.
I have had GM and Mopar cars which have lasted close to and/or over 200k miles each, so I think I'll stick with American cars.
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:14 PM
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Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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I have no brand loyalty. I prefer foreign cars because they're built better, especially cars from the mid 70's through the late 90's. Recently I had a rental (Chevy Impala) and I was impressed with how much the American cars have improved in terms of quality materials, however I'm not sure they will pass the test of time and I don't think they will ever hold their value as well as Honda and Toyota. Doubt I'd ever go back to American cars unless I was going to trade in for a new car every two years.
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I started with a Jeep, then had two Nissans, and now I'm back to a Jeep. I don't necessarily like Chrysler as a company, but I like the Jeep Wrangler. So technically, I switched back from foreign vehicles to domestic.. but I do reluctantly admit that my Nissans had better interiors and seemed much more sturdy.
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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I got burned by Chrysler years ago and my wife by GM. Never owned a Ford but know people who have beed burned by them. My Toyotas, Nissan and my wife's Honda have been great. Would never go back to domestics. All my vehicles are fun to drive. They may not have tons of power but I really don't care. What counts is that after many years of ownership, they have never been let down.
I'm glad you like your Toyotas, Nissan and Honda, but I know people who have been burned by them, too.

I guess my point is, if I didn't buy based on whether I've known people who have been "burned" by an auto company, I'd be walking because there ain't no such thing as a perfect company. They've all turned out junk and all turned out great cars.

Brand loyalty is good--to a point. But all companies go through cycles of turning out better product than at other times, and all companies turn out a product that has a history of being problematic. You have to keep up with them as who is turning out quality varies year to year.

As an example, I have an uncle who's nearling 80 now. He spent his life as a mechanic and never was "loyal" to one make over another. Take pickups for example--depending upon the year and model, he might prefer a GM, Chevy (back when there was some difference), Ford, or (rarely) Dodge. It was based upon how often he saw them in the shop and what he observed as far as build quality. He basically was doing a one man version what Consumer Reports does today.

IMO, anyone who says they "will never go back to domestics" (or any make) is short sighted. There are some domestic makes out there as good as anything being made today. There are some just about as poor as any, too. You just gotta be discerning.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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I don't really have brand loyalty, but in the big picture I would have to say I will never go back to American made cars. I had a Ford when I was in high school that was NOTHING but trouble, and just recently I had a Chevy Cavalier. I bought it brand new, and it was leaking oil after only 3 months! Minor problem, I know, but it's just an indication of the poor quality parts and workmanship. That car felt worn out in every way even when it was only a couple years old. Now switch over to the Toyota Corolla my wife has, which has over 100K on it- still feels and drives like a new car! Tight, crisp, just the way a car should. I recently bought a new Kia Spectra- it's a lower end Kia, but it feels like a top quality car. So unless the American makers really change things, I'll stick with the Toyotas and Kias.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I will buy whatever car best fits my needs, desires and budget. Whoever makes that car will get my check. I never have and never will buy an American car strictly out of a misguided sense of patriotism or loyalty. If they earn my business, fine. If they don't, too bad for them.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I've been a Toyota man after being robbed and brutalized by Chrysler in the past...

...But the Challenger might lure me back for round 4.

So I guess cool designs would drag me back to domestics.
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Old 01-19-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: United States
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IMO, anyone who says they "will never go back to domestics" (or any make) is short sighted. There are some domestic makes out there as good as anything being made today. There are some just about as poor as any, too. You just gotta be discerning.
If you had 3 or 4 GM vehicles that were constantly breaking down would you be "discerning" enough to make that same mistake again?
People tend to stray from getting screwed.
For daily drivers I need a car that's going to get me where I am going, my GM's did that about 80% of the time...not a good record in my opinion. I would like to some day have an old muscle car, Trans Am or a newer Mustang GT. I just don't trust them for daily driving. Too many bad experiences.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:17 PM
 
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I don't really have brand loyalty, but in the big picture I would have to say I will never go back to American made cars. I had a Ford when I was in high school that was NOTHING but trouble, and just recently I had a Chevy Cavalier. I bought it brand new, and it was leaking oil after only 3 months! Minor problem, I know, but it's just an indication of the poor quality parts and workmanship. That car felt worn out in every way even when it was only a couple years old. Now switch over to the Toyota Corolla my wife has, which has over 100K on it- still feels and drives like a new car! Tight, crisp, just the way a car should. I recently bought a new Kia Spectra- it's a lower end Kia, but it feels like a top quality car. So unless the American makers really change things, I'll stick with the Toyotas and Kias.
unfortunately i have had the same / similar experiences

being a owner / driver of compact cars i just can't figure out why detroit can't get it right. i would like them to. but i have driven, owned, or lived with (more like put up with) a '98 Ford Escort (not bad but where is an escort today), 2002 Ford Focus, 2006 Chevy Cobalt, and 2005 Dodge Neon

these cars will not do. and the future has not shown much promise in this class. detroit seems to always be playing catch up. do they STILL not take cars like this seriously? you are supposed to be improving them

the INTERIOR of a car is very important to me. all other things being equal...it is where i spend all my time with a vehicle. look at this craptastic selection straight from the GM parts bin. not to mention the dated styling and poor ergonomics. hey GM....why not just put those HVAC controls just a little lower!

Cobalt


Ion


Dodge Neon



and the Ford Focus is not much better. how many buttons do i need on a dash. and why do i want a steering wheel pulled from a truck?



i honestly looked at these cars, being on a budget and looking to save some cash. but even then, nope. could not justify a purchase

the car i did choose, the Hyundai Elantra, was for obvious reasons for this class of car. if you see the circled in red below, on top the dash is a deep storage compartment. below the high mounted HVAC (you see how thoughtful design works) another deep storage compartment with a softly damped "door". a cup / bottle holder in each front door pocket to complement the two in the center console, and a shallow storage area behind that with a deep "hidden" area below. also, a drop down sunglasses holder above the reawview mirror (not pictured)

if you look at the second pic, you can see how everything is placed just so for the driver, and it looks like it makes sense. because it does. a few knobs, buttons, and the stereo. thats it. simple and uncluttered. yet the car is well equipped. also, the dash is draped in a thick soft touch mat. its not hard, hollow plastic like the others. its far from elegant, but day to day details like that count a lot





i like what i see and feel from behind the wheel of my car, where i spend most of my time with it. i think other foreign automakers understand this, because fuel prices have been high in other countries of the world for some time and they learned to make smaller cars more....desirable. but its not like we don't compete in those markets, too. and i just can't figure why an American automaker cannot make a Civic, Corolla, or Mazda3 beater in this increasingly important class of car. for ME to buy American again detroit has to realize i am buying a small car to drive several years, and i want to be comfy as possible for what i paid. and i want to LIKE my car when i get in it everyday, not feel like its aging / old a year later. the Elantra is a commuter car that is very easy to live with on a daily basis. i always know where my shades are, and i can carry my cup of coffee and two bottled waters up front with me, no problem

and although i don't plan on moving up in segment any time soon, i don't see much else the Americans have that could tempt me "up." the Malibu is nice. and some of the luxury makes. and the Fusion is a good midsize car.

but "close" is not close enough. and too much detroit product really isn't that close still, tbh..

its not like i haven't tried over the years. i have! and i just bought a Hyundai

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Old 01-19-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I will buy whatever car best fits my needs, desires and budget. Whoever makes that car will get my check. I never have and never will buy an American car strictly out of a misguided sense of patriotism or loyalty. If they earn my business, fine. If they don't, too bad for them.
I agree with this. I currently drive a Honda & I would buy a Ford if it met my needs. My 2 Focus were very reliable.

When I car shop I am very particular & know exactly what I want, which usually limits it down to 1 or 2 cars.
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