If You've Changed From Detroit Cars To Asian Cars, Would YOu Ever Go Back? (Germany, Alfa Romeo)

[outafocus]

I posed this question on another forum, too. The VAST majority (87%) said they would never go back to a Detroit 3 vehicle. Most of the anti import posts were from people actually BRAGGING that they have never owned an Asian vehicle and never would, and others posting that people who buy Asian makes, even ones built in the USA are unpatriotic. It's a hot button issue, and the the Asian car haters sometimes slip and let the real reasons they hate Asian cars so much show through, and most are not very noble!

I have personally never met a person that once owned Detroit vehicles changed to Asian makes that would go back.

[Lux Hauler]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

Obvious, how so. This thread has shown that it is just the opposite. Most people will never go back. And as far as quality, I thing other than a few bumps, its still there.

Obvious through rising sales of Ford and GM. Sheep-like consumers are finally catching up. Herds take a little while to switch direction...

The reason this thread shows that trend is probably due to the title and topic... did you miss that?

[Lux Hauler]

Originally Posted by outafocus

I have personally never met a person that once owned Detroit vehicles changed to Asian makes that would go back.

Well that makes sense... considering your knowledge of current automobiles it seems like you have been stuck in a cave since the early 90's.

[outafocus]

Originally Posted by Lux Hauler

Well that makes sense... considering your knowledge of current automobiles it seems like you have been stuck in a cave since the early 90's.

I rest my case!

Many Detroit pushers let rudeness make their points!

My final Detroit car was bought new in 1990 and plagued me with troubles literally from Day One until I unloaded it in 1996.

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by outafocus

I have personally never met a person that once owned Detroit vehicles changed to Asian makes that would go back.

Now you have. I drove a Mercury Cougar from 2000-2005, and I went through a few early 90's Japanese beater cars to a newer Honda, from which I upgraded to a 2004 Acura, which then got totalled, and replaced with a Cadillac.

Country of manufacture/origin is dead last on my car shopping criteria. I have much more important things to worry about even just when looking at cars. Build quality, performance, reliability, safety, design, fuel economy, you name it. Those things are far too important to me to worry about where a car is assembled.

Now, am I happy that my car was built by a corrupt labor union under a corporation that coerced our emasculated Administration into giving it bailout money? Not at all. But it would be silly to let that get in the way of enjoying my car.

[trlhiker]

Originally Posted by outafocus

I rest my case!

Many Detroit pushers let rudeness make their points!

I agree as well as talking down to people who don't agree with them or just calling them childish names. Show the kind of person they really are.

[Lux Hauler]

Originally Posted by outafocus

I rest my case!

Many Detroit pushers let rudeness make their points!

My final Detroit car was bought new in 1990 and plagued me with troubles literally from Day One until I unloaded it in 1996.

I'm a "Detroit pusher"? Why do you say that... because I disagree with you? You flagrantly turn up your nose to obvious information such as to current quality and economy of the modern domestic automobile. Reports, studies, figures, sales records, etc. all seem to bounce off your thick head.

Here lets play the quote game and see how one sided and narrow minded you really are:

Originally Posted by outafocus

Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai. It is hard to find a lightly used Toyota or Honda because people keep them so long, because they are as close to being trouble free as cars get, Hyundais after 2000 are VERY good, and can be had for good prices.

100,000 miles is "just broken in" on a Honda or Toyota. You can expect many carefree miles with one. I would rather have a 100,000 mile used Toyota or Honda than a new Detroit car!

Yep of course, who wouldn't believe this? I guess just the people who rely on data.

Originally Posted by outafocus

Don't forget the Honda Insight. It's a Prius wannabe, but doesn't measure up.

Uhh... ok I guess we will all have to take your word for it.

Originally Posted by outafocus

I have heard Hyundai is the only car manufacturer Toyota is afraid of. Although I have never owned a Hyundai, there is a GREAT chance my next vehicle will be A Hyundai Sonata. There are only three makes of cars I would even consider anymore: Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.

Hyundai's reputation and fortunes since embracing quality has been phenomonal. They have gone from near the bottom, rivaling Detroit for shoddiness, to the top, and making Honda and Toyota quake in their boots!

Who told you that? A voice in your head? And another mention of that... arrrghhh... detroit garbage... grrrr....

Originally Posted by outafocus

I don't consider myself a Republican, because they are too LIBERAL for my tastes, but I would certainly buy a Prius because it's a great car! Conservatives love value, and the Prius is the best value for the so called "green" cars.

Great value? Again was that the voice in your head? There have already been a few people on this forum who kindly worked out the math to prove that you would have to drive your Prius about 350,000 miles to justify the extra costs and thats excluding battery pack replacement (a seemingly debatable topic). Another poster figured that for a Prius to be economical (compared to non-hybrid alternatives) gas would have to be around $6.50 per gallon.

Originally Posted by outafocus

Can you imagine how much worse Detroit 3 cars would be if they didn't even TRY a little to compete with the Asian cars? I shudder to think! Detroit is always playing catch up.

Yeah to think Ford and GM don't compete at all. In your world they just make filthy worthless garbage... but then again your world is the only place this is true.

Originally Posted by outafocus

The Asian cars are WAY better than anything that spews out of Detroit. Ford does have one great car, the Fusion. It is a Mazda design, built in Mexico. Not giving this important vehicle to the UAW was probably the best decision ever made at Ford.

My Asian makes were both made in the United States.

I bought my final Detroit car in 1990. I will NEVER let them shaft me again.

Blah blah blah, more of the same.

Originally Posted by outafocus

The Mexican built Fords are WAY superior to the Detroit cars. I am sure Ford wants favorable reports for their great new car. It can make or break them. My guess is your car will be as flawless as possible. It will be a far cry from first year Detroit vehicles.

Lol... "WAY superior". They are the same... all of the designs, specifications, tooling... its all the same just different geography. What a stupid comment.

Originally Posted by outafocus

I haven't driven a 2010 Corolla, but I doubt they have deteriorated to the point to be compared to Detroit offerings. The Corolla is the best selling car in the world. There's a reason for this. It is an all around good vehicle. It was the most purchased new car in the cash for clunkers program. It is a car that is good in all categories, probably not excelling in any one point over it's competition, except maybe MPG, but it also has no faults. It is a good car for a good price that will give years of excellent service. That is something Detroit has yet to come out with.

Blah blah blah I hate detroit blah blah Toyota best in the world blah blah Corolla is a perfect car blah blah.

Originally Posted by outafocus

Hyundais were once every bit as bad as bad as Detroit vehicles!!!! They started a quality campaign a decade ago, and their fortunes and reputation have risen for it! Everyone could be proud to have a Hyundai in their driveway. A car buyer gets much more for his money with a Hyundai than any other make. Now their superb craftsmanship, reliability, and FANTASTIC warranty should have ALL lesser carmakers qualking in their boots and playing catch up.

It's a shame the Detroit 3 are saddled by the UAW, and/or the US governement, and inept partners. I doubt they will ever achieve parity with the Quality 3: Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.

Dude you are seriously obsessed with hating Detroit.

Originally Posted by outafocus

I think Mexican production is a PLUS! The Fusion is built in Mexico, and is Ford's most reliable vehicle. I would NEVER own a UAW built Detroit car, but i certainly would consider a Mexican built fusion or Fiesta!

Ok... im tired of this but I could put up hundreds more of you just hating Detroit and constantly gushing about Toyota, Honda and Hyundai. You don't even know why you say the things you do... you just blurt out random information.

Like I said before you are just a broken record and you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to cars.

[censusdata]

Both the GM brand vehicles (a 1994 Oldsmobile Acheiva and 1994 Chevy S10) I owned were awful after they passed 150,000 miles and the repairs were really expensive. The Toyotas I've owned all made it to 200,000 with only routine maintainence. I currently drive a 2000 Toyota Corolla that my sister bought new. It has 127,000 and has never had anything done other than oil and tire changes.

Even the Toyota models my family members have owned that had design flaws still do the most important thing for 15 years/ 200k miles: get from point A to B. My other sister's Toyo Echo has a chronic sqeeking serp belt and idles hard but it has never died on the road or not started.

[Merc63]

Originally Posted by censusdata

Even the Toyota models my family members have owned that had design flaws still do the most important thing for 15 years/ 200k miles: get from point A to B. My other sister's Toyo Echo has a chronic sqeeking serp belt and idles hard but it has never died on the road or not started.

And my old Chevy Citation made it to 323k miles of point A to point B travel never dying, either. My supposedly "unreliable" BMW 7 series is at 180k and will likely make it to 250-300k with no problems.

if you treat your cars like crap, or with indiffernce, they generally don't last. if you have evena modicum of mechanical sympathy, any car can last.

[mustang84]

Originally Posted by outafocus

I rest my case!

Many Detroit pushers let rudeness make their points!

My final Detroit car was bought new in 1990 and plagued me with troubles literally from Day One until I unloaded it in 1996.

1990?? No wonder you are so misinformed. If you're going to bash Detroit vehicles, at least have a basis of opinion that is relevant to what is being produced in the present decade. Your opinion on current Detroit vehicles is about as relevant as my opinion on disco (I wasn't born until '84).