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Old 02-23-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Default great article for Honda/Acura fans

1998 Acura Integra Type R vs. 2010 Honda Civic Si
Honda/Acura break out a mint condition 1998 Acura Integra Type-R and sell it to an employee, lucky jerk. He gives Edmonds InsideLine a chance to test it and compare it to a 2010 Honda Civic Si. The twelve year old Integra spanks that Civic Si. It's amazing Honda was able to get almost 200 hp from a 1.8 liter engine without turbo charge or direct injection.
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Honda is now the #1 selling car in the US.
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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The Integra was a classic, for sure. I couldn't deal with the 85 dBA road noise at freeway speeds, though. You could dynamat the thing, but then the 0-60 time would suffer.

Honda made some amazing engines, but their performance is diluted these days because of all the extra weight from creature comforts and additional size.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Have things gotten so bad at Honda that its now selling 11 year old cars?
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: San Bruno, CA
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Have things gotten so bad at Honda that its now selling 11 year old cars?
Are you serious? They pulled a mint condition Type R from their storage and sold it to a lucky employee who could easily put it on the used car market and demand a pretty penny for it. The Type R was a great track car and although its acceleration numbers are a bit underwhelming compared to today's V6's, it still handles really well and will show many new cars its rear end in the twisties.
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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It's amazing Honda was able to get almost 200 hp from a 1.8 liter engine without turbo charge or direct injection.
Not exactly an apples-to-apples thing, but some liter sportbikes are pushing the same number. Of course, not then, but still. I agree that it's amazing how much power they get from small engines, and reliable to boot.

Awesome article. It made me a bit sad, but what a great read. I totally agree with their position on drive-by-wire. You may not think it all that different, but after you drive a DBW for a bit and then go back, wow.

Mike
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:41 PM
 
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It's amazing Honda was able to get almost 200 hp from a 1.8 liter engine without turbo charge or direct injection.
Honda beat that with the S2000 - 2.0L engine with 240 hp - 115hp per liter, which was the best ratio in the world for ten years.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Honda is now the #1 selling car in the US.
Do you have a link for this claim?
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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Do you have a link for this claim?
Toyota typically sold 25,000 Camrys per month, Honda 20,000 Accords, so with Toyota sales way down, its natural to assume that's correct - Accord is the top selling car now that people aren't buying Camrys.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:18 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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well in 08 Honda sold less then 4 million vehicles worldwide. Way less then Toyota(over 9 mil), GM, (8.2 mil), VW(6.4 mil), Ford (5.4 mil).. and I am willing to bet that Honda did not triple their sales in 2 years. Ill bet Ford is #1 right now with VW second and GM third in front of Honda..

http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/w...nking-2008.pdf

update. I found this.. This is saying in 2010 this month GM still sold over twice as many cars in NA as Honda. And Ford almost twice as many as Honda, and was saying Honda sold 5% less this jan then Jan 09. So I highly doubt they are #1 in the world

WardsAuto.com has more detailed U.S. Sales data as well as other automotive data sets

http://wardsauto.com/keydata/USSalesSummary1001.xls (broken link)




WARD'S U.S. Light Vehicle Sales by Company
Month Calendar Year-to-Date
January % Share DSR. January - January Vol.
2010 2009 Current Year-Ago % Chg. 2010 2009 % Chg.



Chrysler 56,479 61,747 8.1 9.4 -0.9 56,479 61,747 -8.5
Ford 114,426 91,431 16.4 14.0 35.6 114,426 91,431 25.2
GM 146,343 128,254 21.0 19.6 23.6 146,343 128,254 14.1
International (Navistar) 19 24 0.0 0.0 -14.2 19 24 -20.8
North America Total 317,267 281,456 45.6 43.0 22.1 317,267 281,456 12.7
Honda 67,479 71,031 9.7 10.8 2.9 67,479 71,031 -5.0
Hyundai Group 52,626 46,608 7.6 7.1 22.3 52,626 46,608 12.9
Isuzu 104 225 0.0 0.0 -49.9 104 225 -53.8
Mazda 15,694 15,420 2.3 2.4 10.3 15,694 15,420 1.8
Mitsubishi 4,170 4,730 0.6 0.7 -4.5 4,170 4,730 -11.8
Nissan 62,572 53,884 9.0 8.2 25.8 62,572 53,884 16.1
Subaru 15,611 12,194 2.2 1.9 38.7 15,611 12,194 28.0
Suzuki 2,040 3,655 0.3 0.6 -39.5 2,040 3,655 -44.2
Tata 2,589 2,654 0.4 0.4 5.7 2,589 2,654 -2.4
Toyota 98,796 117,287 14.2 17.9 -8.7 98,796 117,287 -15.8
Asia Total 321,681 327,688 46.2 50.0 6.3 321,681 327,688 -1.8
BMW 15,410 14,314 2.2 2.2 16.6 15,410 14,314 7.7
Daimler 15,034 12,220 2.2 1.9 33.3 15,034 12,220 23.0
Porsche 1,786 1,658 0.3 0.3 16.7 1,786 1,658 7.7
Volkswagen 24,529 17,466 3.5 2.7 52.1 24,529 17,466 40.4
Europe Total 56,759 45,658 8.2 7.0 34.7 56,759 45,658 24.3
Total Light Vehicles 695,707 654,802 100.0 100.0 15.1 695,707 654,802 6.2
Light vehicles are cars and light trucks (GVW Classes 1-3, under 14,001 lbs.). DSR is daily sales rate.
Source: Ward's AutoInfoBank

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