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Old 03-04-2010, 11:34 PM
 
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Subaru's new CVT auto gets better EPA ratings than its stick. (It is not as much fun to drive though). Things may be changing.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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To paraphrase Dennis Simanaitis: We are becoming a shiftless lot.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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No, automatics are boring and my grandmother can manually shift her auto shift. So? As far as fuel economy is concerned. Nobody with an automatic can get 35 mpg (as I do with my Firebird 3.8) driving in Toronto. I consistantly get 40 to 42 mpg on the highway and the reason is the lack of a torque convertor. The only automatics that come close to manuals in fuel economy are large semi-trucks with multi speed transmissions and NO Torque convertor. The truth is, nobody in our affluent society gives a rip about fuel economy or skillful driving. Too bad!
Really? Every single car with an automatic is "boring?" Even a 500 hp Corvette?
Or a classic car like a 427 Yenko Camaro (a solid 12-second car) is "boring?"

Automatics do have an advantage of high speeds in each gear. For instance, this '68 Dodge Charger R/T with 426-Hemi, 3-speed auto and 3.23:1 axle ratio.

Speed in gears @ rpm:
1st----------- 63 mph @ 6500 rpm
2nd---------- 107 mph @ 6500 rpm
3rd---------- 139 mph @ 5800 rpm
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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Borg Warner 35, used by several manufacturers back then. AMC, MG, and Jaguar springs to my mind ...

It was smooth ... and that's about the nicest thing I could say about it, because whatever power the engine had at the crank, you're not going to get anywhere near that amount afterwards.
Yeah that name sounds familar. I didn't bother to remember junk.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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Yup, great ladies cars. Boring.....Now if you're not a very good driver, you have to go for the auto shift. I cringe when I watch some of these guy drive a 5 speed. Pretty rough. And my grandmother can squeeze a throttle to the floor, but she's not too good with a stick. Yawn, yawn....
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Yup, great ladies cars. Boring.....Now if you're not a very good driver, you have to go for the auto shift. I cringe when I watch some of these guy drive a 5 speed. Pretty rough. And my grandmother can squeeze a throttle to the floor, but she's not too good with a stick. Yawn, yawn....
Interesting... I see quite a few good drivers with 12-second muscle cars with automatics at the weekly car gathering. Maybe I should tell them that they are driving "ladies cars," the next time they are blasting down the 1/4 mile!
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Interesting... I see quite a few good drivers with 12-second muscle cars with automatics at the weekly car gathering. Maybe I should tell them that they are driving "ladies cars," the next time they are blasting down the 1/4 mile!
You should remember to let them know that any old grandma can drive fast in a 1/4 mile straight road too.
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You should remember to let them know that any old grandma can drive fast in a 1/4 mile straight road too.
Can any old grandma handle a 500-hp car and run a 12-second 1/4 mile?

Also, remember there are some grandmas who can drive a car with a manual transmission... does that mean they are "manly?"
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Can any old grandma handle a 500-hp car and run a 12-second 1/4 mile?

Also, remember there are some grandmas who can drive a car with a manual transmission... does that mean they are "manly?"
It means the know how to drive a proper car.

500hp and an Auto? floor it and keep it straight, you know it can't be hard when a Tv presenter was taught how to drive a top fuel drag racer in 2 hours.
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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It means the know how to drive a proper car.

500hp and an Auto? floor it and keep it straight, you know it can't be hard when a Tv presenter was taught how to drive a top fuel drag racer in 2 hours.
What about driving an automatic-equipped car on mountain roads? Downshifting through curves, accelerating coming out of the turn, etc.

I find it hard to believe that only cars with manual transmissions are fun to drive.
As I posted above, what about a '69 427 Yenko Camaro with an automatic? No fun to drive strictly because it's an automatic?

Or another example I posted earlier... a '68 Dodge Charger with 426-Hemi, 3-speed auto and 3.23 gears. It could do 63 mph @ 6500 rpm in 1st gear and 107 mph @ 6500 rpm in 2nd gear... but because it has an auto, it's "no fun" to drive? I strongly disagree.

When I referred to a 500 hp car with an auto, I meant those I see regularly at car shows. They are street driven and are not just run at a race track.
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