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Old 03-02-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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I had a 1980's Honda Civic that didn't come with power steering. Didn't seem to make any difference unless stopped. Not sure how accidents are caused by this.
well, it all depends on what EXACTLY is going on. i'm assuming the Cobalts and G5s are still conventional hydraulic power steering systems and not some sort of electronic thing like that seen on other new vehicles like the Mazda 3. if, say, the PS went out and you essentially went from having power steering to having to manhandle a vehicle with no PS at slow speeds, i could see an acccident occuring. not often, but in the right circumstances.........

if it IS electric steering, i honestly have no clue what would happen when it went out.

Mike
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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I had a 1980's Honda Civic that didn't come with power steering. Didn't seem to make any difference unless stopped. Not sure how accidents are caused by this.
I don't either. Sounds like frivolous lawsuits to get money is all. My Escort is the same way. It is very easy to steer unless I am parking.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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I don't either. Sounds like frivolous lawsuits to get money is all. My Escort is the same way. It is very easy to steer unless I am parking.
possibly. however, given the Toyota debacle, i think you'll actually see a lot more recalls coming our way. right now, it's much better to air your dirty laundry out now than have someone else do it for you, minor as the problem may be.

Mike
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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Unlike Toyota though, GM's recalls are the RULE, not the exception.
Plus, GM, like every other manufacturer, recalls the troubled products as these things come up, unlike Toyota, which suppressed its recalls for 5, 10, 15 years until they all came spilling out at once. When you end up recalling almost 10 million vehicles worldwide, and you end up recalling all but 3 of the models you make, there's a bigger issue.

So far this year there have been recalls by Acura, BMW, Audi, Cadillac, Chevy, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Lotus, Pontiac and Dodge, and its only March. The reason they don't make the news is because the recalls are relatively small, and no one died while the automakers were covering up the problems and not issuing recalls.

For many people, the automobile is the most complex piece of machinery they will ever interact with - there are many parts, computers and systems that are all expected to work perfectly, but some times, things don't work perfectly together or on their own. When automakers do the right thing, they issue recalls or technical service bulletins. When they do the wrong thing, people die and you end up paraded before Congress like Toyota.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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well, it all depends on what EXACTLY is going on. i'm assuming the Cobalts and G5s are still conventional hydraulic power steering systems and not some sort of electronic thing like that seen on other new vehicles like the Mazda 3. if, say, the PS went out and you essentially went from having power steering to having to manhandle a vehicle with no PS at slow speeds, i could see an acccident occuring. not often, but in the right circumstances.........

if it IS electric steering, i honestly have no clue what would happen when it went out.

Mike
My 2003 Cavalier had electric steering, so I would be willing to bet the Cobalts do too.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Looks like Toyota can learn a thing or two from GM concerning handling of recalls.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:27 AM
 
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Watch Robert Lutz GM Vice Chairman: Electric power system is the same system as the Toyota Corolla and the parts come from a Toyota owned supplier.

[url=http://www.cardealerreviews.org/?p=253027]GM Recalling 1.3 Million Vehicles Over Same Steering Problems Affecting the Toyota Corolla | Reviews & Ratings[/url]

My question: If they are the same problem from the same supplier, why did it take GM so long to start what Toyota already had done weeks ago?
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The reason GM vehicles have such low sudden acceleration issues is that no one could even start the car in the first place.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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The reason GM vehicles have such low sudden acceleration issues is that no one could even start the car in the first place.
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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+1.

Mike
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