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Old 05-07-2010, 06:14 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Great, you knuckleheads have run Bob off.

I wanted to ask him about the Challenger not "competing" with the Mustang and Camero (which IMHO they were competitors in the Muscle Car Era and still are...) but you have run him off so I guess "no soup for Mitch".
Yep so good info lost because if a few jerkoffs.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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He wasn't giving any good info, just avoiding questions and playing word games. If there was one thing he stated its that the Challenger will not compete with the mustang and comaro. Why? Because they can't make it lighter (his words).
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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He wasn't giving any good info, just avoiding questions and playing word games. If there was one thing he stated its that the Challenger will not compete with the mustang and comaro. Why? Because they can't make it lighter (his words).
can chrysler even afford to redo the challenger to compete with the mustang and if they do can they sell it in the same price range of 33K you can get a base mustang GT for and can they make the fit and finish on par with ford. man I wish Bob would come back so many questions so little time
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:39 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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can chrysler even afford to redo the challenger to compete with the mustang and if they do can they sell it in the same price range of 33K you can get a base mustang GT for and can they make the fit and finish on par with ford. man I wish Bob would come back so many questions so little time
He said at the expected price point, they can't. Which is funny because Ford has been doing it for years.
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Old 05-08-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Sounds like he's not much of a consultant if he's consulting for the loosing side.
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:27 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Great, you knuckleheads have run Bob off.

I wanted to ask him about the Challenger not "competing" with the Mustang and Camero (which IMHO they were competitors in the Muscle Car Era and still are...) but you have run him off so I guess "no soup for Mitch".
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Yep so good info lost because if a few jerkoffs.

Yep. Wish Bob had a better first experience on this forum. He sounded like a true wealth of knowledge. Unfortunately, a select few on here had to do their usual blathering and set the intellectual tone for this guest to see.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Yep. Wish Bob had a better first experience on this forum. He sounded like a true wealth of knowledge. Unfortunately, a select few on here had to do their usual blathering and set the intellectual tone for this guest to see.
That's funny. He did sound knowledgeable. However he seemed pre-occupied with explaining an engine's fuel economy when we all know that when people talk about the impact of a transmission - they are talking about how it affects the vehicle's MPG. He set a holier than thou engineering tone.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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That's funny. He did sound knowledgeable. However he seemed pre-occupied with explaining an engine's fuel economy when we all know that when people talk about the impact of a transmission - they are talking about how it affects the vehicle's MPG. He set a holier than thou engineering tone.
He also seemed intent on making excuses for the negative aspects of Chrysler products even when pointed out in a non-insulting manner. I ride in my wife's Sebring with the 2.4L engine. It is buzzy in acceleration, something that other car companies have over come. The combination of transmission, programing, and engine is what's needed for improved mpg or acceleration.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Might want to check out his bio here.

bob sheaves - Google Search
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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hmm we have alot of knowledgeable mechanics here but was the first designer know if we could get the mechanics that wrench on these cars he designs to talk to him about things they like and dislike about the products maybe they could design a sweet car.

Because the mechanic's know which parts fail and seem to be cheap and deal with the customers on the front lines and with the rest of the automotive enthusiast's on this site who like and own an array of cars and are potential customers we could tell bob the styling and features we like and the mechanics and shop owners could tell him what issues they are seeing on popping up regular basis on chrysler cars.

I know one thing if dodge made the challenger lighter and had performance to match the new mustang and sold it for the same price I would consider one but they would have to use the new 6.4 hemi and pump it to the 475HP-500HP range and drop 300-400 LBS and re-weak the suspension.

If they could sell a lighter,leaner challenger with 500HP in stock form for 35K they would have a hit in the pony car wars.
the next step would to find out why and what people like about their hyundais small cars and suvs they are making solid, reliable small cars and people are flocking to them and the price is right.

one thing they need to keep in their line up is the ram heavy duty and keep a cummins under the hood it's the main reason people love dodge ram trucks is for the cummins diesel

feel free to add to the list what you would like to see at dodge in the next few years and what they can do to make it better now...
I am a GM/ford guy so my list is kinda biased on what features and things I like in my cars and trucks

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