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Old 08-20-2014, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The average miles per ann, in the USA and Europe is about the same. Yet US cars have much larger more fuel thirsty engines. Go figure. Believe me, Europeans put a lot emphasis on driveability than in the USA.
But in the USA towing loaded trailers (boats, building materials, ATVs, and so on) are some of the reasons why we prefer more power. In this case a larger car weights more, which is not a bad thing if you are towing a trailer.
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:00 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands
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The average miles per ann, in the USA and Europe is about the same.
I don't believe that, whats your evidence to back that up?
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The average miles per ann, in the USA and Europe is about the same. Yet US cars have much larger more fuel thirsty engines. Go figure. Believe me, Europeans put a lot emphasis on driveability than in the USA.
First of all, a solid majority of cars sold here have 4-cylinder engines. What's more, the reason larger engines are less common there is not because Europeans are more virtuous or less susceptible to marketing, but because fuel is more expensive there. Certainly even you aren't oblivious to the 400+HP cars made and sold in Europe. Europeans who can afford the higher running costs of cars with larger and more powerful motors, buy them. And Europeans who move to the USA don't flock to the A-segment fuel sippers they're familiar with because they don't have to.

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Old 08-20-2014, 11:26 PM
 
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My 09 WRX 2.5L 4 cyl turbo eats V8s for breakfast

Not my American V/8 and it dont need a hair dryer to go fast ! Ron
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:12 AM
 
Location: London
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No, they don't. They have more expensive fuel, but that's the ONLY reason they go for tiny underpowered engines. We have cheap fuel and don't need to suffer with small engines. Funny how Europeans moving to the US tend to gravitate towards buying the big engine cars they couldn't/wouldn't have back home...
A Yank Tank wallows on European winding roads. European cars need good handling and have it. They also develop more HP from smaller engine units.

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Old 08-21-2014, 04:14 AM
 
Location: London
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But in the USA towing loaded trailers (boats, building materials, ATVs, and so on) are some of the reasons why we prefer more power. In this case a larger car weights more, which is not a bad thing if you are towing a trailer.
American car do exactly the same as European cars. But European see no need to have overlarge engines. The marketing people of the manufacturers tell you need something you do not. You do not need a 3.5 litre V8 to go to Safeway.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:15 AM
 
Location: London
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I don't believe that, whats your evidence to back that up?
That is the case. Look it up.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:21 AM
 
Location: London
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First of all, a solid majority of cars sold here have 4-cylinder engines. What's more, the reason larger engines are less common there is not because Europeans are more virtuous or less susceptible to marketing, but because fuel is more expensive there. Certainly even you aren't oblivious to the 400+HP cars made and sold in Europe. Europeans who can afford the higher running costs of cars with larger and more powerful motors, buy them. And Europeans who move to the USA don't flock to the A-segment fuel sippers they're familiar with because they don't have to.
It is true that 4 cyl engines are becoming the majority in e USA, but are they the "second" car?

Most European cars have 4 cyl smaller engines than the USA that develop more hp. My car proves that. 1,800cc , 4 valves per cylinder, does 115mph, etc. This did come about because of more expensive fuel. But!!! This technology is available to the USA but the Americans still are served up with inefficient and overlarge engines. The makers tell you, you need larger engines when you do not. Pollution and all that?

Please do not come back and say Americans drive more per ann. as they do not. And that they are the only country with highways - they are not. And that 4 cyl engines wear out quicker, etc. All this type of response is doing is giving in to the marketing men. Marketing men have convinced you, you need something you do not need. Get wise to it.
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Old 08-21-2014, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Guys, John obviously has a thoroughly closed mind and no amount of facts will convince him. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and everyone here knows it, so let's just ignore him from here on out.
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Old 08-21-2014, 06:52 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I know that's right! But a boxer engine is the exception to the rule, considering most 4 bangers are in-line engines.

Well, if I had to choose- 4 banger turbo. But, I drive a 5cyl turbo, Volvo C70. It goes Zoom-Zoom but it ain't a Mazda!
How is it excepted by what rule?
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