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Old 08-21-2014, 04:24 PM
 
Location: London
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A high power car needs LESS work to maintain highway speeds.
About 25 HP. Hence why moduled engines clutched in and out make sense. But as electrically driven cars are here with range extenders all this is rather moot, as that will be the way and pretty soon.
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Old 08-21-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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Which is why most American muscle cars are nothing but pigs with a big engine. A 4 cylinder turbo car like the Lotus Elise runs laps around the Mustang with 100 less HP.

It's stupid to have over 300HP when most highways limit you to under 80mph as a safe speed. Only time you need over 300HP is to move a heavy car or drag racing.

In the US, we do two main kinds of driving, stop-and-go city stuff, where an automatic is essential (to most non-internet fanboys) and long highway cruises, where the roads are straight.

It doesn't make sense to have a car's focus be on handling and nimbleness for these tasks. Probably something like 0.1% of people who actually own sports cars ever take them to a track.

Bigger, heavier cars are more solid and planted, which is advantageous to many people who don't care how the car is on paper.

Let's see a Lotus handle 50mph crosswinds on a Wyoming highway vs a Challanger Hellcat.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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American car do exactly the same as European cars. But European see no need to have overlarge engines. The marketing people of the manufacturers tell you need something you do not. You do not need a 3.5 litre V8 to go to Safeway.
You have to take into consideration that in the US we do drive automobiles with large, medium, and small engines. For example, lots of people drive Japanese automobiles with 4-cylinder motors, both turbo and normally aspirated.

I agree with others in relation that you have no idea in relation to what the US consumers versus the automobile manufacturers want. For example, the majority of automobiles sold in the US are Japanese, and only a few have V8 motors (Toyota and other Japanese trucks). The whole thing is not that the manufacturer tells us what we want, but that we demand from the manufacturer to build what we want. Otherwise we just don't buy it.

Who says that I don't need a 3.5 litre V8 if that's what I want?
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:28 AM
 
Location: London
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In the US, we do two main kinds of driving, stop-and-go city stuff, where an automatic is essential (to most non-internet fanboys) and long highway cruises, where the roads are straight.
It sounds like most other places. But some other paces have narrow winding roads as well.
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It doesn't make sense to have a car's focus be on handling and nimbleness for these tasks.
A car handles well holds the road well which a great advantage in any type of driving, especially in critical situations.
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Let's see a Lotus handle 50mph crosswinds on a Wyoming highway vs a Challanger Hellcat.
Its low profile would see the wind skip over it.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:31 AM
 
Location: London
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You have to take into consideration that in the US we do drive automobiles with large, medium, and small engines.
But a hell of lot with massive overlarge engines.

I have driven all over the USA, coast to coast. Americans do not need these overlarge engines, which sell big numbers. The marketing men said you do. That is clear. Tax fuel more and see the makers respond with smaller engines in vehicles that do not underperform.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Blah blah blah "massive overlarge" yap yap "marketing men" blah blah yap...

Every time you post here it's increasingly obvious you don't have a clue about automotive trends or manufacturer marketing messages currently at play here. Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself. It hurts to watch.
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:29 AM
 
Location: London
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Every time you post here it's increasingly obvious you don't have a clue about automotive trends
First to have to admit to yourself that you were sucked in by auto corporations. Until you do this you will never get anywhere.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Yes for track duties High HP cars is where it belongs. For daily driver I don't think it's fun to drive 400-500HP cars and constantly manage power by shifting gears up and down. I rather drive a 250HP car with good low end torque so I can get around traffic and dial up power easily around than have a high HP car that needs a lot of work to maintain legal speed.
This post makes no sense. The typical 400+ HP car has far more torque than a "250HP car with good low end torque". That is why driving a Corvette or 5.0 Mustang is so easy even in traffic. They have more torque at every RPM than any 250HP car.

It is pathetically easy to maintain legal speed in a Porsche 911.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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But a hell of lot with massive overlarge engines.

I have driven all over the USA, coast to coast. Americans do not need these overlarge engines, which sell big numbers. The marketing men said you do. That is clear. Tax fuel more and see the makers respond with smaller engines in vehicles that do not underperform.
Essentially your entire contribution to this thread is an exercise in arrogance. There are millions of 4 cylinder cars on the road in the US. You are proud of your 1.8L car, but have you told us what it is? It's top speed is 115MPH! But isn't that too much? You can't drive that speed legally in the UK anywhere. Why do you have a car that can go that fast? Why don't you drive a 1.4L car?

Why does anyone in the UK own a 12 cylinder Bentley? Or the fabulous McLaren? Or a Jaguar F-type?

It's because they want one and can afford it. It has nothing to do with need.

Some Americans buy what they need. Many others buy what they want.
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:42 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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3.5L V6 is a sweet spot.

I feel sorry for our euro trash friends who have to live daily with their gutless 1.2L buzz boxes LOL
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