Airbus Trounces Boeing (jet, commercial)

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by Neuling

Regarding those technical issues, they really should be more thorough there. It's not a TV set we're talking about, there are hundreds of lives at stake on every flight.

Meh. Both Boeing and Airbus make very safe planes. Crew training and maintenance have a much bigger influence on the safety of any given flight, and those are of course dependent on the airline, not the aircraft manufacturer.

Anyway, Airbus and Boeing tend to leap-frog each other in orders - Boeing doesn't really have anything to match the A320neo. Next year, Airbus is likely to lose orders to the 787.

[Pretzelogik]

If it ain't Boeing I ain't Going! Atlantic Airbus Crash Pits Brain Against Computer Encroaching on Cockpit - Bloomberg

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

Meh. Both Boeing and Airbus make very safe planes. Crew training and maintenance have a much bigger influence on the safety of any given flight, and those are of course dependent on the airline, not the aircraft manufacturer.

How safe is VERY safe? I think they have to be absolutely safe.

The problem is one can't really test planes like cars or other relatively small, cheap stuff (crash tests for jumbos ). Many of the stress tests are done using simulations.

[ovcatto]

Not to throw flames on the fire, but according to the linked story, the main difference was in the number of Airbus A320s vs Boeings much older 737 and the for the buyer the decision came down to fuel efficiency (sound vaguely familiar to problems with the sale of American autos). Also after a casual check of the safety records for both planes while the Airbus has had twice the number of accidents and incidents, I can only detect one accident that could be blamed on the aircraft and not the crew. If others have better information, I will certainly deferred to that.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by Neuling

How safe is VERY safe? I think they have to be absolutely safe.
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Neuling, on which planet do you live.
Ever been on a French "autoroute" anything is safe in comparison.

[AeroGuyDC]

The Boeing 787 is already beating Airbus. The A320neo is Airbus's response to the failed A350 that didn't pass wingload testing. The failed A350 nearly put the company in a flat spin of which it almost didn't recover. Without subsidies, Airbus would be a thing of the past. The Boeing 787 is the front runner by far. Airbus had a good order this year.....it won't be anywhere near Boeing's success after the launch of the 787 and they know it.

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by henrjam

Neuling, on which planet do you live.
Ever been on a French "autoroute" anything is safe in comparison.

Sure. Still, I think hardware or software failures or errors are absolutely unacceptable with planes.

I read that spare parts are a major source of problems, it is a lucrative business, which attracts the wrong kind of people.

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

The Boeing 787 is already beating Airbus. The A320neo is Airbus's response to the failed A350 that didn't pass wingload testing. The failed A350 nearly put the company in a flat spin of which it almost didn't recover. Without subsidies, Airbus would be a thing of the past. The Boeing 787 is the front runner by far. Airbus had a good order this year.....it won't be anywhere near Boeing's success after the launch of the 787 and they know it.

One of Airbus' problem is the company structure. It is a multinational company where German, French, and other interests collide. The atmosphere is said to be very bad.
In the military branch I assume Airbus simply lacks the experience Boeing has thanks to the MIC in the US.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by Neuling

Sure. Still, I think hardware or software failures or errors are absolutely unacceptable with planes.

I read that spare parts are a major source of problems, it is a lucrative business, which attracts the wrong kind of people.

I never felt safer than in one of those big airliners.
At that time there is nothing I can personally do wrong that might alter my destiny. Let me just say, that feels so good.

[summers73]

I want to personally thank the folks of Washington for helping to make this possible.