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Old 02-02-2012, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why would they "Give up pay" to be profitable?
They won't, because they are the kind of characters Adam Smith warned about... they're merely money managers with no loyalty to the business as in "Bainism".
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The unions have taken many hits and given up a lot. You can't do the job much cheaper with a non union workforce and still keep those flying cans in the air.

Yes you can. AMR will outsource much of the work and save money. If the outsourcing company has non union labor, they will do it cheaper. Also, the AMR unions required very expensive defined benefit pension plans. Almost every company in American has cancelled those plans and replaced them with defined contribution plans. Again, if the outsourcing company has a 401k instead of a defined benefit plan, they will save money and perform the same quality work at a lower price.

Government workers and union workers are almost the only people that have a (very expensive) defined benefit pension plan today.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:52 PM
 
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AA didn't go bankrupt because of their difference in labor costs. That's pure 100% fiction on your part. .

I'm sure you have a link to back this up.....
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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Eddie, relax, clearly the guy is fried. I'm feeling you though. Good job.

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This 'fried' guy has been responsible for more lives on a single day than you have in your entire life I'd guess!?

All of your arguments are based around the belief that UNIONS are responsible for a Non Union companies success!

IF .. and THAT is a VERY BIG IF .. Then why are Union Thug Run companies tanking .. Everywhere!?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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They won't, because they are the kind of characters Adam Smith warned about... they're merely money managers with no loyalty to the business as in "Bainism".
Usually, we read the posts 'before' we respond but I guess that you're just interested in fishing for rep points?

The OP was claiming that the employee would have to give up profits .. not management.

And .. If you had read my entire post .. you would have read where Delta actually Gives Back .. sometimes Double what the employee puts in!
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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B) Book a flight with American and ride in a 35 year old Douglas Death Tube (the MD80 for the non-traveling crowd), .

The statistics don't support your rant.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Usually, we read the posts 'before' we respond but I guess that you're just interested in fishing for rep points?
Your response is worth more.

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The OP was claiming that the employee would have to give up profits .. not management.
Profits?

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And .. If you had read my entire post .. you would have read where Delta actually Gives Back .. sometimes Double what the employee puts in!
Delta is next.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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American Airlines: We'll have 'many fewer' jobs - Feb. 1, 2012

Their unions basically forced them into bankruptcy because of unrealistic demands and this is what they ended up getting in return.

Just think of how many jobs will be lost outside of the company with 13,000 less people having paychecks to spend.
Not to worry. Mr. obama can simply buy the airlines and turn it over to them. You know, just like the gm deal. Problem solved.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Not to worry. Mr. obama can simply buy the airlines and turn it over to them. You know, just like the gm deal. Problem solved.
Good point. Does anyone see the irony in this? Obama bails out GM, but let's AMR go bankrupt. Why? Crony Capitalism.

Why should we allow our president to decide which companies should fail and which companies should be bailed out? Who gave him that authority?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Good point. Does anyone see the irony in this? Obama bails out GM, but let's AMR go bankrupt. Why? Crony Capitalism.
So you want bail out for AMR. Good to know.
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