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Old 07-08-2013, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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The plane did not look low in the video. At least it didn't to me. I looked like the nose was too high though. The angle of attack was all wrong. I hope there will be a longer video to see soon.

I think it's way too early to say Pilot error caused this. The NTSB will figure it out.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The plane did not look low in the video. At least it didn't to me. I looked like the nose was too high though. The angle of attack was all wrong. I hope there will be a longer video to see soon.

I think it's way too early to say Pilot error caused this. The NTSB will figure it out.
According to eyewitnesses, engine thrust was advanced at the last second in an attempt to pull up and go around. That should, for all practical purposes rule out engine failure. The only other remotest of all possibilities is that the auto-throttle (if being used) stuck at idle and prevented pilot override. But that possibility, too, would seem to be ruled-out by the last minute throttle advance.

All indicators point to pilot error and, early as it is, there is no reason to attempt to deflect from that likelihood.

And yes, for anyone familiar with SFO's physical layout, the plane appeared way too low. He should have had 64 feet of altitude crossing the threshold.

https://nfdc.faa.gov/nfdcApps/airpor...&airportId=SFO
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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It would seem the first thing they should have done was firewall the throttles and then tell the tower they were going around, not ask.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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It would seem the first thing they should have done was firewall the throttles and then tell the tower they were going around, not ask.
You assume CNN's version of it's "aviation reporting" is accurate
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Unfortunately...that approach and landing was what we in the business call... extreme FUBAR.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You assume CNN's version of it's "aviation reporting" is accurate
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It'll be interesting to see the transcript from the cockpit voice recorder as well as the timeline of throttle/control movement to see what really happened.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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You assume CNN's version of it's "aviation reporting" is accurate
But whether the reporting is accurate is irrelevant , is it not?

An alert and competent pilot would have seen the disaster fast unfolding well before this one (apparently) did and would have taken quick and decisive action in time to get back into a climb and save that airplane and its passengers.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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But whether the reporting is accurate is irrelevant , is it not?

An alert and competent pilot would have seen the disaster fast unfolding well before this one (apparently) did and would have taken quick and decisive action in time to get back into a climb and save that airplane and its passengers.
My point is I doubt the pilots "asked" to go around like the article quoted stated.

RTFQ

The media is horrible at aviation reporting. They may be able to get some facts right, but even then they stretch it and over dramatize it. Unfortunate really, as it leaves the general public even more clueless and needlessly scared (IMO).
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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My point is I doubt the pilots "asked" to go around like the article quoted stated.

RTFQ

The media is horrible at aviation reporting. They may be able to get some facts right, but even then they stretch it and over dramatize it. Unfortunate really, as it leaves the general public even more clueless and needlessly scared (IMO).
The media is horrible at reporting most technical things. It is truly upsetting when you see the media clearly butchering basic information. I know most people aren't experts in aviation, but they should at least TRY to establish semi-reasonable conclusions.

Regarding the crash, there are some good aviation websites out there that explain the situation 1,000,000x better than the media.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Do any of you remember going to college with future journalists? I do. The current level of reality is to be expected.

Back when we had linen wings and I was taking lessons, my instructor kept telling me: First, last and always fly the effin airplane. If you get too low and slow, hammer the throttle and keep the angle of attack constant. Maybe it will keep flying.
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