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Old 04-01-2014, 12:37 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Yes, the US, UK, and Australia know more than something. They have the radar data, the satellite "ping" data, the ACARS data, and they have done the analysis of all that. And they have said the plane is in the south Indian Ocean. The Chinese government believes it since they are sending more ships and planes to the area. The Australians believe it since they are coordinating the entire search effort. You just choose to not believe it.

My advice - don't listen to the Malaysians. Who knows why they are saying the idiotic things they are saying. But they are not running the search at this point so it really does not matter what they say.
They also have the Boeing/Rolls Royce data, the details of which have never been revealed. And there's this rogue general spouting off on FOX, saying that Boeing says the plane is in Pakistan.
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Old 04-01-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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It matters mostly in the sense that we cannot rely on any of the "facts" released by Malaysian authorities..
I would agree but being in aviation myself, I have cringed at nearly every single technical detail the news has reported on in regards to how the aircraft works. It's always intrigued me how when the news reports on something you know intimately well, you can see all the holes, flaws, and errant, sloppy reporting. Then it makes you wonder how much the news gets wrong elsewhere.

Here's the thing with the 'Good Night' statement. It really is an innocuous statement and it's very likely that it is deemed so innocuous that when a reporter asked what the last words from the crew were, someone responded with "Alright, Goodnight." I mean, if someone says goodnight to you in a language maybe you're not 100% fluent in and then you're asked how exactly they said it, you might get the general idea correct but some of the intricate details wrong. Very similar to that whole "telephone" game we always hear about.

But, with the way the news has been reporting on this, they may have solidified it. They took those two or three little words someone said off the cuff, maybe after a VERY long day, or maybe by someone who just didn't think the news was going to capitalize on what those last words were, and then they exploded with "Alright, Goodnight" all over the front pages.

Not to mention, there is something slightly more ominous sounding about "Alright, Goodnight" than what the real last statement was. "Alright, Goodnight" allows you to freely think about some nefarious pilot or co-pilot who, after he's just gassed all the passengers and fellow crew members, gets a radio call from ATC, responds cooly and calmly with "Alright, Goodnight," and then turns the radio off and lets out a bellowing "Muhahahahahahaha" as he flies off into the vastness of nowhere.

I don't see the correction as a fault with Malaysian investigators as much as I do with just plain, poor reporting and sloppy journalism used to overhype a tragic situation fueled by mystery and intrigue.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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Here's the thing with the 'Good Night' statement. It really is an innocuous statement and it's very likely that it is deemed so innocuous that when a reporter asked what the last words from the crew were, someone responded with "Alright, Goodnight." I mean, if someone says goodnight to you in a language maybe you're not 100% fluent in and then you're asked how exactly they said it, you might get the general idea correct but some of the intricate details wrong. Very similar to that whole "telephone" game we always hear about.

But, with the way the news has been reporting on this, they may have solidified it. They took those two or three little words someone said off the cuff, maybe after a VERY long day, or maybe by someone who just didn't think the news was going to capitalize on what those last words were, and then they exploded with "Alright, Goodnight" all over the front pages.
If so, Malaysian officials let it explode for two weeks before correcting it. Not to mention how can you trust the "correction" is correct. They won't release the actual recording.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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If so, Malaysian officials let it explode for two weeks before correcting it. Not to mention how can you trust the "correction" is correct. They won't release the actual recording.
Well, there may have been more important things. Again, the last words aren't really that important except to the imagination of the media. The media isn't leading the investigation so it really doesn't matter. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just saying that however the words got mixed up, it really isn't that big a deal.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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I think I heard that they did release the recording today, on CNN as I was doing something else.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:20 PM
 
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What is the big deal wanting the recording released? While there is the valid concerns over what was said, this isn't a trial and the general public isn't the jury or judge.

The words said are the last someone made in their life, yet for some reason, some seem to think there is a right to hear them. There is not. If anything, the only people entitled to hear the recording are the investigators and then by some extension the relatives of the passengers and crew, but not the general public.

What about the relatives of the pilot or co-pilot? Is there no shame in the morbid curiosity to hear the actual last words? What is the need to know beyond curiosity? Now the media gets to made a big deal out of the difference in the words when the media is largely responsible for a lot of misinformation itself.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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A few years ago, the crew of a Japan Airlines 747 flying over Alaska gave a very detailed report of an object following them at about 35,000 feet. They described the object as at least three times the size of an aircraft carrier, and, observed the craft for an extended period of time as it maintained a parallel flight-path to the Boeing airliner. During ground de-briefing, the 2 pilots gave no conflicting testimony. They were entirely in agreement about what was observed.. *A good reason for abducting an airliner such as a Boeing 777 in mid-flight, would be to make a detailed examination of the level of aeronautical, technical, mechanical, and scientific development on Earth, as an airliner such as a 777 would provide clues to all.* About 20 years ago, a British astrophysicist postulated an equation based on the process of elimination as to how many advanced civilizations could possibly exist in the Milky Way Galaxy. He arrived at a figure that at the very least there has to be at least 200,000 technologically advanced civilizations that share the galaxy with us And, we are only ONE of a now-estimated half-trillion galaxies in the universe; each containing a minimum of a quarter-million solar-masses.. *Although it is possible that the Earth has been visitied by intelligent beings for thousands of years, this activity has DEFINITELY increased ever since our “cosmic signature” was released in the New Mexico desert in July of 1945, the first atmospheric detonation of a nuclear device at Alamogordo by J. Robert Oppenheimer and his development team. It could have easily been detected in other star-systems with highly advanced sensing capability. *As for the Malaysian Airliner, too much time has passed. It is gone, and, never to be found here on Earth. A tragedy for the families involved.
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Old 04-01-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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Maybe who said "Good night 370" wasn't either of the pilots?
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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A few years ago, the crew of a Japan Airlines 747 flying over Alaska gave a very detailed report of an object following them at about 35,000 feet. They described the object as at least three times the size of an aircraft carrier, and, observed the craft for an extended period of time as it maintained a parallel flight-path to the Boeing airliner. During ground de-briefing, the 2 pilots gave no conflicting testimony. They were entirely in agreement about what was observed.. *A good reason for abducting an airliner such as a Boeing 777 in mid-flight, would be to make a detailed examination of the level of aeronautical, technical, mechanical, and scientific development on Earth, as an airliner such as a 777 would provide clues to all.* About 20 years ago, a British astrophysicist postulated an equation based on the process of elimination as to how many advanced civilizations could possibly exist in the Milky Way Galaxy. He arrived at a figure that at the very least there has to be at least 200,000 technologically advanced civilizations that share the galaxy with us And, we are only ONE of a now-estimated half-trillion galaxies in the universe; each containing a minimum of a quarter-million solar-masses.. *Although it is possible that the Earth has been visitied by intelligent beings for thousands of years, this activity has DEFINITELY increased ever since our “cosmic signature” was released in the New Mexico desert in July of 1945, the first atmospheric detonation of a nuclear device at Alamogordo by J. Robert Oppenheimer and his development team. It could have easily been detected in other star-systems with highly advanced sensing capability. *As for the Malaysian Airliner, too much time has passed. It is gone, and, never to be found here on Earth. A tragedy for the families involved.
ET took it. Plausible as anything else thats been reported.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:35 PM
 
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A few years ago, the crew of a Japan Airlines 747 flying over Alaska gave a very detailed report of an object following them at about 35,000 feet. They described the object as at least three times the size of an aircraft carrier, and, observed the craft for an extended period of time as it maintained a parallel flight-path to the Boeing airliner. During ground de-briefing, the 2 pilots gave no conflicting testimony. They were entirely in agreement about what was observed.. *A good reason for abducting an airliner such as a Boeing 777 in mid-flight, would be to make a detailed examination of the level of aeronautical, technical, mechanical, and scientific development on Earth, as an airliner such as a 777 would provide clues to all.* About 20 years ago, a British astrophysicist postulated an equation based on the process of elimination as to how many advanced civilizations could possibly exist in the Milky Way Galaxy. He arrived at a figure that at the very least there has to be at least 200,000 technologically advanced civilizations that share the galaxy with us And, we are only ONE of a now-estimated half-trillion galaxies in the universe; each containing a minimum of a quarter-million solar-masses.. *Although it is possible that the Earth has been visitied by intelligent beings for thousands of years, this activity has DEFINITELY increased ever since our “cosmic signature” was released in the New Mexico desert in July of 1945, the first atmospheric detonation of a nuclear device at Alamogordo by J. Robert Oppenheimer and his development team. It could have easily been detected in other star-systems with highly advanced sensing capability. *As for the Malaysian Airliner, too much time has passed. It is gone, and, never to be found here on Earth. A tragedy for the families involved.
This has been my contention from the first report that the aircraft went missing.
To this day, I never believed anything different than an alien abduction.
We are not alone in this universe, and those that think we are , are seriously misguided.
I don't believe any humans on that flight are living now, and the aircraft itself is perhaps under study, which is probably why it was abducted in the first place.
Bob.
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