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Old 04-13-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Denver
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At least in the past foreign governments have never done anything nefarious with wreckage and black boxes....ehhhhhhhh


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Old 04-13-2014, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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One thing that baffles me beyond comprehension is that when the black box and recorders are found, they are to be turned over to Malaysia. Are you kidding me? With the deceitful, unethical fashion they have handled this since minute one?
Deceitful? Unethical?

The Malaysians have handled this thing in an incompetent, bungling manner, but I have not seen any indication of maliciousness on their part. They are just completely out of their league. I have not seen anything I would call unethical.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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It is what it is. If the Malaysians need more sophisticated equipment to extract data from the data recorders, they can ask for our help. Otherwise, it is none of our business.

The Malaysians altering the recorder data or disseminating false information to lay blame on a different party should be a real concern. It has happened before.
It is the business of the United States. There was one US citizen on board, that is enough to being in an official interest. Boeing too has a vested interest because if I am not mistaken, they get to see all the data from the data recorders because they warrant the plane to perform, certify the maintenance crews and so on.

It is our business. If it was your son or daughter that was on the plane, surely you would say it was your business too. Is it the business of others? For sure but not their's exclusively.

If the plane is found in International waters, it becomes everyone's business.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:45 AM
 
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Anything that happens anywhere in the world seems to be our business. We are the watchdog of the world. There were 3 Americans on that plane, actually. Two of them were little kids, ages 4 and 2, from what I can find. That means somewhere out there are relatives in deep despair over what happened to them, just like there are for the IBM guy and all the rest.

Malaysians might be in charge of the investigation, but they are going to be under such scrutiny that even if they did try something fishy, they'd never get away with it. At this point, they have zero credibility thanks to their complete ineptitude in handling things so far.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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At some point it became a world issue, not a Malaysian issue. There is worldwide concern and interest. Anyone--or their loved ones--could become a passenger on a 777 so we have a right to know if something went wrong with the plane itself. People from all around the world travel to Malaysia so they have a right to know if security or maintenance is lax.

It's not some isolated incident that couldn't possibly affect anyone else. Add in the fact that Boeing has a right to know and that Americans were aboard. The Chinese certainly have a right to know since most of the passengers were Chinese.

Malaysian authorities have shown themselves to be incompetent and they have a vested interest in protecting themselves so they shouldn't be in charge of the investigation. Many countries have donated a lot of manpower and equipment. There are so many reasons why this information should not be entrusted solely to the Malaysians.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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At some point it became a world issue, not a Malaysian issue. There is worldwide concern and interest. Anyone--or their loved ones--could become a passenger on a 777 so we have a right to know if something went wrong with the plane itself. People from all around the world travel to Malaysia so they have a right to know if security or maintenance is lax.

It's not some isolated incident that couldn't possibly affect anyone else. Add in the fact that Boeing has a right to know and that Americans were aboard. The Chinese certainly have a right to know since most of the passengers were Chinese.

Malaysian authorities have shown themselves to be incompetent and they have a vested interest in protecting themselves so they shouldn't be in charge of the investigation. Many countries have donated a lot of manpower and equipment. There are so many reasons why this information should not be entrusted solely to the Malaysians.
Also, let's not forget that it was a Chinese flight. It was co-registered as a Chinese and a Malaysian flight.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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At some point it became a world issue, not a Malaysian issue.
There is an international agreement for how air travel works which includes who "owns" investigating an accident. If a flight crashes in international waters, the investigation is owned by the country which owns the airline. This is controlled by the International Civil Aviation Organization, which is part of the UN.

Take a look at EgyptAir flight 990, which crashed many years ago. For EgyptAir 990, the US only got involved by request of Egypt. They did not like our conclusion (which was that it was due to action by the pilot) and took control back and released the final report. Egypt said it was mechanical. Legally, the Egyptian report is the definitive one.

Flight 370 might be of world interest, but legally, it is a Malaysian issue.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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At some point it became a world issue, not a Malaysian issue. There is worldwide concern and interest. Anyone--or their loved ones--could become a passenger on a 777 so we have a right to know if something went wrong with the plane itself. People from all around the world travel to Malaysia so they have a right to know if security or maintenance is lax.

It's not some isolated incident that couldn't possibly affect anyone else. Add in the fact that Boeing has a right to know and that Americans were aboard. The Chinese certainly have a right to know since most of the passengers were Chinese.

Malaysian authorities have shown themselves to be incompetent and they have a vested interest in protecting themselves so they shouldn't be in charge of the investigation. Many countries have donated a lot of manpower and equipment. There are so many reasons why this information should not be entrusted solely to the Malaysians.
All true.

I think the Malaysians have tried to make up for their lack of procedures and experience as they went along with what they told the world. As one CNN analyst said the other night, the plane would have been found March 8 if Malaysia had sent up fighter jets to take a look in the window like done for the Payne Stewart plane.

If you watched CNN last night you heard another analyst say that there is not, and has not been, one single piece of evidence that the plane crashed in the water. Zero evidence. Thus the "other threories."

This accident is an unfortunate part of aviation history and the entire world waits for the cause, and the prevention going forward. The world will never stop looking for the jet or black boxes. It took what 17 years for them to locate or bring up parts of the Titanic, and three years for Air France? And those were where they knew where the vessel went down.

I think the plane is in the water myself but the ocean is so vast then where to look?
There have been too many numbers about very high (45,000) and very low (5000) altitudes and change of directions and vague radar records, data from the engines indicating a flight path, etc.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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There is an international agreement for how air travel works which includes who "owns" investigating an accident. If a flight crashes in international waters, the investigation is owned by the country which owns the airline. This is controlled by the International Civil Aviation Organization, which is part of the UN.

Take a look at EgyptAir flight 990, which crashed many years ago. For EgyptAir 990, the US only got involved by request of Egypt. They did not like our conclusion (which was that it was due to action by the pilot) and took control back and released the final report. Egypt said it was mechanical. Legally, the Egyptian report is the definitive one.

Flight 370 might be of world interest, but legally, it is a Malaysian issue.
Thanks for that information. There is probably a good reason for it but it just seems wrong in this case. I guess they had to make some sort of agreement or else there would be chaos. It's just that this time the agreement doesn't seem to put the case in the hands of competent unbiased experts. Seems to also have been the same case with the EgyptAir flight, unfortunately.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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All pilots are indeed somewhat obsessed but not like this guy. All his peers said he was over the top. He spent all his days off and spare time in flight simulators.
This is kind of like saying that a guy involved in a fifty car pileup that killed forty people is responsible because he was a car enthusiast, spending every waking moment in the garage or driving around. Sure, it's possible he was the cause and, for some reason, decided to go out doing what he loved. On the other hand, maybe because he did what he loved all the time, the odds were greater for him to die doing what he loved.
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