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Old 08-17-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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I pulled the prices below from the websites of Boeing and airbus. It looks as if the equivalent Boeing model is always cheaper than it's Airbus counterpart (or am I matching them up wrong).

737-700 < A319
737 MAX7< A319neo
737-800 == A320
737-900ER < A321
737 MAX8 < A320neo
737 MAX9 < A321neo

Yet Airbus seems to have a 56%/44% lead over Boeing in the single aisle jet sales. What am I missing?



Usmil 13 JANUARY 2014 Average 2014
$71.90 A318
$78.30 737-700
$85.80 A319
$87.70 737 MAX 7
$93.30 737-800
$93.90 A320
$94.40 A319neo
$99.00 737-900ER
$102.80 A320neo
$106.90 737 MAX 8
$110.10 A321
$113.30 737 MAX 9
$120.50 A321neo
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$191.50 767-300ER
$218.30 787-8
$221.70 A330-200
$245.60 A330-300
$257.10 787-9
$260.90 A350-800
$269.50 777-200ER
$295.20 A350-900
$297.50 787-10
$305.00 777-200LR
$330.00 777-300ER
$340.70 A350-1000
$360.50 777-8X
$367.80 747-8
$388.70 777-9X
$414.40 A380
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:41 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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List Price vs Actual Discounted Price.

Lease Terms, Training credits, Lifetime costs, maintenance costs/time, Current fleet (training, inventory, crewing, scheduling ... ) , Access to Replacement parts depot, Location of Heavy overhaul, Time in Overhaul. Tax Credits, Politics, "foreign aid" (Buying terms that factor in on costs)

All factor that go into who buys what.
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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Published prices are just a guideline. What the airlines really pay is usually not revealed.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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Another factor is government subsidies in the form of government-backed loan guarantees for the purchase of aircraft. Europe offers these to customers of Airbus and the US offers these via the Import-Export Bank to customers of Boeing. I'm not an expert and don't know exactly what the comparative advantage is, but it does play a part.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Avondale, AZ
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So which one are you leaning towards?
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Old 08-17-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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Tax Credits, Politics, "foreign aid"
So how could Airbus sell so few A380's?

The break-even for the A380 was initially supposed to be reached by selling 270 units, but due to the delays and the falling exchange rate of the US dollar, it increased to 420 units. Negotiated discounts made the actual prices much lower, and industry experts questioned whether the A380 project would ever pay for itself.

So far only 11 airlines are operating 138 the jets, with half of them being owned by Emirates and Singapore airlines. Of these airlines Emirates has another 90 on order, and the other 10 airlines have 27 unfilled orders.

---- Middle East
50 EMIRATES UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
---- Asia
19 SINGAPORE AIRLINES SINGAPORE
10 KOREAN AIR KOREA, REPUBLIC OF
6 MALAYSIA AIRLINES MALAYSIA
6 THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL THAILAND
5 CHINA SOUTHERN AIRLINES COMPANY CHINA
2 ASIANA AIRLINES KOREA, REPUBLIC OF
---- Europe
12 LUFTHANSA GERMANY
10 AIR FRANCE FRANCE
6 BRITISH AIRWAYS UNITED KINGDOM
---- Oceana
12 QANTAS AIRWAYS AUSTRALIA

Another 63 jets have been ordered by the following airlines or companies
VIRGIN ATLANTIC UNITED KINGDOM
TRANSAERO AIRLINES RUSSIAN FEDERATION
AIR AUSTRAL FRANCE
ETIHAD AIRWAYS UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
QATAR AIRWAYS QATAR
AMEDEO IRELAND (leasing company)
UNDISCLOSED 10
private 1
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Old 08-18-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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I'm just a few hundred million short of my 777, damn.
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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I'm just a few hundred million short of my 777, damn.


For $65 million you can get a Gulfstream G650 which will take 11–18 passengers nearly anywhere in the world.
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Old 08-18-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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Frankly, I'm waiting for the BOGO special.
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Old 08-18-2014, 07:42 PM
 
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When AirBus announced the A380 I saw a very limited market for it.

Hub to Hub on long haul flights. Limited number of airports that would spend the millions to upgrade runways for it weight, taxi way for its wing span, Multiple Jetways 4? ATC ground ops issue keeping other planes away from it as it taxi's

Remember the AirFrance A380 that spun the Commuter jet in a circle when the wing of the A380 caught the rear stabilizer at JFK

Customs / Immigration to be able to handle the surge of the passenger load.

B787 was getting big booking going to many cities with the "Right" size passenger loads, with 1 crew. The A380 with its long distance seem to be doubled crewed.
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