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Old 09-15-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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Could it be that the Flyover states are gradually becoming the International fly to states, flying over the Coasts? Of course, the vast majority of international air travel goes to hubs like LA, SF, NY, Miami, DC, with interior hubs like Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis, Denver, and Detroit serving international destinations as well.

From Today's International New York Times.

"foreign carriers are more often flying directly to big-city airports in the interior of the United States, rather than just the major hubs on the coasts.. That will expand....Among the lesser-known airports likely to attract more direct routes from foreign carriers in the next three to five years are Memphis, KC, Cincinnati, Indianapolis and New Orleans."

The article cites one reason for this growing trend is such cities have "good Interstate highway access in industrial bases with important global businesses"

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...will certainly be nice for folks in places like Cincinnati to fly over the Coasts to places like Shanghai and Frankfurt without having to transfer at congested hubs.
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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By Number of Int'l flights - excludes Charters - Includes freight (Includes with greater than 10K flights)

2013


1 MIA 167,083 - Miami
2 JFK 149,573 - NYC
3 LAX 98,692 - LA
4 EWR 89,556 - NYC
5 ORD 88,289 - Chicago
6 IAH 88,045 - Houston
7 ATL 70,096 - Atlanta
8 DFW 56,847 - Dallas
9 SFO 50,409 - SF
10 IAD 45,909 - DC
11 FLL 37,030 - Ft Lauderdale (Miami)
12 PHL 35,213 - Philly
13 BOS 32,049 - Boston
14 SEA 31,419 - Seattle
15 LGA 30,975 - NYC
16 SJU 30,125 - San Jose
17 DTW 26,476 - Detroit
18 MCO 25,192
19 MSP 24,816
20 CLT 24,154
21 HNL 23,857
22 DEN 22,162
23 PHX 20,800
24 ANC 19,961
25 LAS 19,312
26 GUM 19,148
27 MEM 11,359


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Old 09-15-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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Some of those codes definitely do NOT ring a bell...IAH?
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Some of those codes definitely do NOT ring a bell...IAH?
Houston
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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The B787 Allow for use on long Thin Routes. From some secondary International cities to US interior cities, or from Int Hub to US interior cities.


BUT there has to be enough LOCAL passenger loads to fill ~90% on enough frequency that passenger would book it. A few time a week flight, would not get enough passenger confidence for them to book it.

Many Airports toss in subsidies to get the flights also. I Know Denver has spent years to get international flight from it, and Toss a bunch of money @ UAL to get them,
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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If this trend accelerates, big changes in those numbers may start to happen. A huge number of those departures and arrivals at the big hubs are travelers to and from smaller interior cities. Take a state like Ohio with 11 million people. It's economy is very global, P&G is arguably one of the World's most global companies and everytime one of their executives travels abroad, or international executives/employees go to their Cincinnati headquarters, they are using other cities' airports. It won't take too many flights to shift that business. Even a daily flight to Asia and one to Europe could take hundreds of thousands of people out of the major hubs annually.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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By Number of Int'l flights - excludes Charters - Includes freight (Includes with greater than 10K flights)

2013


1 MIA 167,083 - Miami
2 JFK 149,573 - NYC
3 LAX 98,692 - LA
4 EWR 89,556 - NYC
5 ORD 88,289 - Chicago
6 IAH 88,045 - Houston
7 ATL 70,096 - Atlanta
8 DFW 56,847 - Dallas
9 SFO 50,409 - SF
10 IAD 45,909 - DC
11 FLL 37,030 - Ft Lauderdale (Miami)
12 PHL 35,213 - Philly
13 BOS 32,049 - Boston
14 SEA 31,419 - Seattle
15 LGA 30,975 - NYC
16 SJU 30,125 - San Jose
17 DTW 26,476 - Detroit
18 MCO 25,192
19 MSP 24,816
20 CLT 24,154
21 HNL 23,857
22 DEN 22,162
23 PHX 20,800
24 ANC 19,961
25 LAS 19,312
26 GUM 19,148
27 MEM 11,359


U.S. International Air Passenger and Freight Statistics Report | Department of Transportation
SJU is San Juan, Puerto Rico, not San Jose (SJC).

18-27 are Orlando, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Charlotte, Honolulu, Denver, Phoenix, Anchorage, Las Vegas, Guam, and Memphis.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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The B787 Allow for use on long Thin Routes. From some secondary International cities to US interior cities, or from Int Hub to US interior cities.


BUT there has to be enough LOCAL passenger loads to fill ~90% on enough frequency that passenger would book it. A few time a week flight, would not get enough passenger confidence for them to book it.

Many Airports toss in subsidies to get the flights also. I Know Denver has spent years to get international flight from it, and Toss a bunch of money @ UAL to get them,

From a global business point of view, Denver is less attractive than a city like Cincinnati sits in the middle of a massive area of globalizing industry. anyhow, the quotes in the opening post were from Michael Boyd of Boyd Group.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Boyd is Based in Denver, and From what i remember he was big pusher to get London/Toyko flight out of Denver, (DIA is hub for UA, so they can feed flight from mid-US to DEN to fly to the two big EU & Asia Gateways.)

DEN Need the B787 type plane to be able to take enough passengers, from a High & Hot Airport, The VERY long runway at DEN also help.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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Could it be that the Flyover states are gradually becoming the International fly to states, flying over the Coasts? Of course, the vast majority of international air travel goes to hubs like LA, SF, NY, Miami, DC, with interior hubs like Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis, Denver, and Detroit serving international destinations as well.

From Today's International New York Times.

"foreign carriers are more often flying directly to big-city airports in the interior of the United States, rather than just the major hubs on the coasts.. That will expand....Among the lesser-known airports likely to attract more direct routes from foreign carriers in the next three to five years are Memphis, KC, Cincinnati, Indianapolis and New Orleans."

The article cites one reason for this growing trend is such cities have "good Interstate highway access in industrial bases with important global businesses"

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...will certainly be nice for folks in places like Cincinnati to fly over the Coasts to places like Shanghai and Frankfurt without having to transfer at congested hubs.
Much of this also has to do with the shifting economics of the US. The hubs of higher household incomes are no longer only on the coasts. If an airline can fill flights out of Cincinnati, Houston and Denver why wouldn't they? I would also imagine airport costs are less than the more competitive hubs like JFK or LAX.
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