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Shanghai to Tijuana, continuing to Mexico City, Aeromexico
(routing via Tijuana is because of Mexico City’s altitude and the distance)
Aeromexico is considering adding Seoul to it's lineup in the next four years.
Of the 32 million international passengers flying to and from Mexican airports last year, the nationality of the airline is broken down:
7.81 Total Mexican
2.26 Total European
2.61 Total Centro y South American
2.63 Total Canadian
16.94 Total USA
32.25 Total
Since Mexican airlines only control less than one quarter of the passengers flying in and out of their country, they are obviously interested in increasing that share. Right now Aeromexico flies to London, Madrid, and Paris but in the past they have tried Barcelona and Rome.
Another possibility is that Emirates will attempt to include Mexico into it's growing worldwide web. Given that Dubai to Mexico City would become the longest commercial flight in the world, they may attempt a stop over in Barcelona. Of course, Emirates is also interested in pursuing it's fifth freedom rights to carry wealthy passengers from Spain to Mexico.
Does anyone else foresee Asia-Latino nonstops?
Last edited by PacoMartin; 03-10-2015 at 06:26 PM..
Doesn't that KE flight from GRU stop in LAX before continuing on to ICN?
Yes it does, my mistake. I guess there are only two nonstops from Latin America to Asia.
Possibly once the bridge is completed to TIJ airport over the border fence, KE should think about refueling in TIJ. They would get the San Diego county traffic to both Seoul and to Brazil, plus the Tijuana traffic to either place, and maybe some of the Mexico city traffic flying domestically MEX-TIJ to connect.
While in general there is much more of that fifth freedom traffic at LAX, there is also a lot more competition for the same routes.
Doubtful. Range is a large issue (these are all 8000+ mile routes), along with the lack of demand. In addition, stopping in SEA, SFO, or LAX isn't really out of the way. See below:
Panama to Tokyo crosses right over Seattle
Colombia to Beijing is within a few hundred miles of Chicago
Doubtful. Range is a large issue (these are all 8000+ mile routes), along with the lack of demand.
Emirates is flying to Sao Paolo and Rio directly from Dubai. The Rio flight continues on to Buenos Aires. The equipment is 777-200LR. The connection stop in Rio adds 4 hours. But the nonstop to EZE would be 8,507 miles, just under the 8,580 SYD-DFW A380 route (the longest commercial flight in the world).
Emirates is flying to Sao Paolo and Rio directly from Dubai. The Rio flight continues on to Buenos Aires. The equipment is 777-200LR. The connection stop in Rio adds 4 hours. But the nonstop to EZE would be 8,507 miles, just under the 8,580 SYD-DFW A380 route (the longest commercial flight in the world).
Refrain. It's not that the routes aren't possible physically, but that due to the range, the cost to operate them is very expensive.
On these types of Ultra Long Haul (ULH) routes, you end up burning a lot of extra fuel to carry the fuel you'll need later on in the flight. The only way to make up for that is to have a large amount of premium demand flying business or first class.
None of the Latin American countries are all that wealthy, nor have cultural ties to Asia like they do with Europe.
The question becomes, "Who is willing to pay extra for a non-stop flight to Asia, over a short stop in the US, Mexico or Canada?" who all already have Asian service. We can see the ULH flights of SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR didn't work.
Also, BOG-ICN is 9,243 miles, BOG-PEK is 9,275 miles, BOG-NRT is 8,865 -- PTY-ICN is 8,822 miles etc
All of which are as long or longer than the longest flight in the world. There just isn't enough demand on either end, when as I noted, the greater circle flight paths are within a hundred miles or so of major international gateways in the US and Canada that have both Latin American and Asian service.
Refrain. It's not that the routes aren't possible physically, but that due to the range, the cost to operate them is very expensive.
The question becomes, "Who is willing to pay extra for a non-stop flight to Asia, over a short stop in the US, Mexico or Canada?" who all already have Asian service. We can see the ULH flights of SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR didn't work.
Also, BOG-ICN is 9,243 miles, BOG-PEK is 9,275 miles, BOG-NRT is 8,865 -- PTY-ICN is 8,822 miles etc
Air New Zealand is going to put in a flight to Buenos Airea (6415 miles). That will make Argentina significantly closer to Singapore which has no nonstops to California any more. It will also be much closer to Sydney and about 10% closer to Hong Kong.
Air New Zealand is going to put in a flight to Buenos Airea (6415 miles). That will make Argentina significantly closer to Singapore which has no nonstops to California any more. It will also be much closer to Sydney and about 10% closer to Hong Kong.
New Zealand isn't in Asia.
Buenos Aries is impossible to fly nonstop. It's 11,458 miles and goes over the south pole, which is a no-fly zone. Auckland is in a position where it can be a potential transfer point for the bottom part of South America to Asia.
Flying from Rio/San Paulo through Dubai / Abu Dhabi / Doha to Hong Kong adds less than 100 miles than a non-stop (which is impossible). And from Buenos Aires, it's only 100 miles more than from Auckland.
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