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So you would slightly exceed the longest nonstop on any airlines for the Boeing 777-300ER (by less than 40 miles).
I didn't mention Houston to Mumbai as a nonstop is probably financially infeasible for a 777-300R.
Yes, a stop in Europe is possible, but then you are opening up the competition considerably. You can get to New Delhi on a number of airlines with a stop. Air India could minimize the time spent on the ground in Europe, but you don't have the competitive edge of a nonstop.
British Airways London-Heathrow
Virgin Atlantic Airways London-Heathrow
Emirates Dubai-International
Air France Paris-Charles de Gaulle
KLM Amsterdam
Lufthansa Frankfurt, Munich
Air Canada Toronto-Pearson (resumes 3 November 2015)
United Airlines Newark
I see no real advantage to a flight with a stop in London. You have Star alliance flights on United from Houston to JFK and Chicago already with connections to Air India, or you could fly United from Houston to Newark and connect to a nonstop to New Delhi.
We can all agree a Houston-Delhi route would be extremely long. But even if it is included in the top 5 longest flight, there are obviously routes that fly these lengths. So yes, of course it has to be a profitable route but why wouldn't this route be? Houston-Delhi would be very profitable not only for the large Indian population in Houston but throughout the whole state of Texas and Gulf Coast in general. If Dallas-Sydney works, Houston-Delhi has no reason not to.
We can all agree a Houston-Delhi route would be extremely long. But even if it is included in the top 5 longest flight, there are obviously routes that fly these lengths.
Yes, I agree with you. It would be the longest flight for this class of aircraft by 28 miles
7807 miles BOM to EWR Boeing 777-300ER Air India (long AI flight)
8332 miles Jeddah to LAX Boeing 777-300ER Saudia (longest flight of a 777-300ER in world)
7351 miles DFW to Shanghai Boeing 787-8 (longest flight of a 787-8 in world)
8578 miles SYD to DFW Airbus A380-800 (longest commercial flight in the world on any aircraft)
7300 miles DEL to JFK - Air India
7310 miles DEL to EWR - United
7470 miles DEL to ORD - Air India
7490 miles DEL to IAD
7130 miles DEL to BOS
7690 miles DEL to SFO
8170 miles DEL to DFW
8360 miles DEL to IAH
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So yes, of course it has to be a profitable route but why wouldn't this route be? Houston-Delhi would be very profitable not only for the large Indian population in Houston but throughout the whole state of Texas and Gulf Coast in general. If Dallas-Sydney works, Houston-Delhi has no reason not to.
Because you are competing with connecting routes. They may only take a few hours longer. If the cost of carrying up to 1000 pounds of fuel is too high you will lose passengers to connecting routes. Most people will gladly pay 5% for a nonstop, but many will balk at 25%.
But Boston may win out over Houston because it is so much shorter, and they have the option of flying it with one of their Dreamliners. the Dreamliner has 256 seats, while the 777-300ER has 342 seats.
In five years the newer class of planes will make these long trips much more affordable. By then the relationship between USA and India will be much more developed, and you will see more nonstops than to just two cities in the USA.
But Sydney has had nonstop to the USA for 40 years. It was the primary motive behind the first of the really long flights. You can't really compare the two destinations.
8332 miles Jeddah to LAX Boeing 777-300ER Saudia (longest flight of a 777-300ER in world)
8360 miles DEL to IAH
I should point out that Saudia flies this airframe with 305 seats, while Air India normally flies with 342 seats. So it may require Air India to go with a different configuration to fly to Houston.
A Boeing 777-200LR is being flown 8,439 miles by Delta, and Air India still has two 200LRs (Jharkhand & Maharashtra), but as they are not considered moneymakers with 238 seats, they have been phasing them out.
Actually I should have googled an article. It looks like Air India has an option of upgrading it's final 6 (of 27) Dreamliners from the 787-8 to the 787-9 model.
Currently there are 16 commercial routes being flown 8,000-8,578 statute miles, 5 with the A380 and 11 with the B777. But the B787-9 was designed partly with the long haul in mind. Only 27 have been delivered thus far, so no one has started routes over 8000 miles yet.
I was puzzled how Air India could fly a Delhi to Houston route with the airframes currently in the fleet or about to be delivered. I didn't realize they were considering upgrading their deliveries.
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Air India has invested heavily in the Dreamliner (Air India only ordered the smallest version of the Dreamliner, the Boeing 787-8). Air India has received 20 Dreamliners, but has another 7 on order. The 787-8 is currently flying distances of 7,351 statute miles or less on all airlines.
Air India (AI) Dreamliner routes
Amritsar (ATQ) – Delhi (DEL) – Birmingham (BHX)
Chennai (MAA) – Singapore (SIN)
Delhi (DEL) – Bangalore (BLR)
Delhi (DEL) – Bangkok (BKK)
Delhi (DEL) – Dubai (DXB)
Delhi (DEL) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Delhi (DEL) – Hong Kong (HKG) – Osaka (KIX)
Delhi (DEL) – Hong Kong (HKG) – Seoul (ICN)
Delhi (DEL) – Kolkata (CCU)
Delhi (DEL) – London (LHR)
Delhi (DEL) – Melbourne (MEL)
Delhi (DEL) – Milan (MXP)
Delhi (DEL) – Moscow (DME)
Delhi (DEL) – Mumbai (BOM)
Delhi (DEL) – Paris (CDG)
Delhi (DEL) – Rome (FCO) – Milan (MXP)
Delhi (DEL) – Shanghai (PVG)
Delhi (DEL) – Singapore (SIN)
Delhi (DEL) – Sydney (SYD) – Melbourne (MEL)
Delhi (DEL) – Tokyo (NRT)
Mumbai (BOM) – Bangkok (BKK)
Mumbai (BOM) – London (LHR)
Mumbai (BOM) – Singapore (SIN)
Delhi to Chicago is 7479 miles and to JFK is 7313 miles. One possibility for increasing flights is to use the new Dreamliners to fly to USA and increase frequency to these airports and use the existing 777-300ER to increase flights to Mumbai.
I think some passengers prefer to fly Dreamliners on long routes because they don't use bleed air. There are some people concerned about health risks.
UA Dreamliner routes are no competition to get to India.
United Airlines (UA) Dreamliner flights
Denver (DEN) – Tokyo (NRT)
Houston (IAH) – Lagos (LOS)
Houston (IAH) – London (LHR)
Houston (IAH) – Sao Paulo (GRU)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Melbourne (MEL)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Shanghai (PVG)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Tokyo (NRT)
San Francisco (SFO) – Chengdu (CTU)
San Francisco (SFO) – Osaka (KIX)
Model Summary Through May 2015
787-8 456 orders 255 deliveries 201 unfilled
The -8 version is the smallest of three versions. All unfilled orders may be completed in as little as two years.
What is the point though! Why would anyone want to sit inside a plane i.e confined space for 17 hours? Normally i'd rather just go straight through but for a trip like this i'd HAVE to make a stop over.
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with direct flights on this airline.
What is the point though! Why would anyone want to sit inside a plane i.e confined space for 17 hours? Normally i'd rather just go straight through but for a trip like this i'd HAVE to make a stop over.
I think by 2020 you will be able to fly from JFK nonstop to anywhere.
John F Kennedy Intl, New York City, NY (JFK) to
Bombay Airport, Mumbai, IN (BOM) 7780 miles
Hong Kong 8072 miles
Changi Intl Arpt, Singapore, SG (SIN) 9530 miles
Sydney Kingsford Smith Arpt, Sydney, AU (SYD) 9940 miles
Perth Arpt, Perth, AU (PER) 11600 miles
Indian Americans by State and Metro Area. There is a good argument for Texas, but also for California.
California 528,176
New York 313,620
New Jersey 292,256
Texas 245,981
Illinois 188,328
Florida 128,735
Virginia 103,916
Pennsylvania 103,026
New York Metropolitan Area 526,133
Chicago Metropolitan Area 171,901
Washington Metropolitan Area 127,963
Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 119,901
San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont MSA 119,854
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara MSA 117,711
Dallas – Fort Worth Metroplex 100,386
Greater Houston 91,637
Philadelphia Metropolitan Area 90,286
Indian Americans by State and Metro Area. There is a good argument for Texas, but also for California.
California 528,176
New York 313,620
New Jersey 292,256
Texas 245,981
Illinois 188,328
Florida 128,735
Virginia 103,916
Pennsylvania 103,026
New York Metropolitan Area 526,133
Chicago Metropolitan Area 171,901
Washington Metropolitan Area 127,963
Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 119,901
San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont MSA 119,854
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara MSA 117,711
Dallas – Fort Worth Metroplex 100,386
Greater Houston 91,637 Philadelphia Metropolitan Area 90,286
One thing to also consider is the Indian population in NJ is clustered in Central NJ, while closer to EWR, PHL is 45-70 minutes from the NJ (NY MSA) Population cluster plus another 100K in the direct Philly metro
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