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I find there is quite a bit of air traffic over my home even though I do not live very close to a small municipal airport. I must be in the traffic pattern or something. The commercial traffic is a non-issue, but there is quite a bit of low flying private-jet type aircraft that I can only assume is gawking at some of the adjacent properties near me that are quite expensive and large. Who do I write to? My selectman? My Town Hall?
The aircraft are low enough that the engines howl over my home. Thanks!
"private-jet type aircraft" aren't operating out of a "small municipal airport"; ie, it takes a fairly sizable/lengthy runway for them to take-off or land safely.
There are minimum altitudes for them to fly at, with several parameters involved, but
they must observe minimum altitudes above populated/built up structures per FAA regs.
You may be under a published approach/departure flight path to an airport, so that's why the aircraft appear frequently in the same area. Likely that they are flying the path in accordance with the specifications and have little choice but to be there and at the published altitude for the area. That flight path would not be below the minimum legal altitudes.
Airports all have a listed "airport authority" or "owner or operator" to which you can direct your noise complaints. Some will have a listed noise complaint direct phone number. You can register your noise complaint with these agencies at the larger airports in your area that could support jet aircraft operations. The complaints will be logged and may result in flight paths/operating procedures being altered to minimize the noise footprint if possible consistent with flight safety and operating parameters of the aircraft.
PS: Highly unlikely that the folk affluent enough to afford to be utilizing "private-jet type aircraft" are "gawking" at your neighborhood.
"private-jet type aircraft" aren't operating out of a "small municipal airport"; ie, it takes a fairly sizable/lengthy runway for them to take-off or land safely.
There are minimum altitudes for them to fly at, with several parameters involved, but
they must observe minimum altitudes above populated/built up structures per FAA regs.
You may be under a published approach/departure flight path to an airport, so that's why the aircraft appear frequently in the same area. Likely that they are flying the path in accordance with the specifications and have little choice but to be there and at the published altitude for the area. That flight path would not be below the minimum legal altitudes.
Airports all have a listed "airport authority" or "owner or operator" to which you can direct your noise complaints. Some will have a listed noise complaint direct phone number. You can register your noise complaint with these agencies at the larger airports in your area that could support jet aircraft operations. The complaints will be logged and may result in flight paths/operating procedures being altered to minimize the noise footprint if possible consistent with flight safety and operating parameters of the aircraft.
PS: Highly unlikely that the folk affluent enough to afford to be utilizing "private-jet type aircraft" are "gawking" at your neighborhood.
Thank you for your insight. I will try those channels. The aircraft are very low. Almost impossible to be at a minumum altutude. I suppose "municpal" was not the correct term.
Not trying to be an ass, but here is the house they are directly lining up with. I think almost anyone can appreciate it. Has to be one of the nicest in the country as it is owned by one of the wealthiest hedge-funders in the US. And no, mine is nothing like it.
Scouting expensive properties adjacent to you in private jets? Yep gotta be the Damn Chinese! They pretty much bought up everything left of value in CA
The aircraft are very low. Almost impossible to be at a minumum altutude.
Minimum altitude over your urban area is 1,000' AGL (above ground level).
Highly unlikely that these jet aircraft are anywhere close to that low unless they've just taken off and are climbing out or heading in on short final to a landing at an airport near you.
These aircraft don't fly efficiently at lower altitudes, and the pilots don't want to be that close to the ground any more than you'd want them there.
I suppose "municpal" was not the correct term.
Could be muni, or a county, or other operating authority airport.
The point is that it takes a substantial runway to operate these jet aircraft compared to those of us GA pilots in small piston powered singles and twins which are by far more numerous.
Whatever the airport is that the private jets are operating out of, it's going to be a significant facility because that's the nature of the economics to provide that facility.
If you know of any airport in your area, call them ... look for a listed FBO (fixed base operator) offering jet services/fuel, or the airport authority. It's a fairly safe bet that any of the pro's in the business will know which airport is the operating base for those private jets.
Not trying to be an ass, but here is the house they are directly lining up with. I think almost anyone can appreciate it. Has to be one of the nicest in the country as it is owned by one of the wealthiest hedge-funders in the US. And no, mine is nothing like it.
I don't mean to belittle your vision of "nicest in the country" and your local neighborhood pride, but many of the folk utilizing private jet aircraft are the owners of such properties themselves. And for a lot of them, they own more than several. They've got their own conspicuous consumption properties and they're not jealous or envious. Many of them travel in the same financial and social circles so they get to see these places firsthand.
At that, Google Earth and similar satellite GIS services provide ample opportunity for the curious to check out the places of the "rich and famous" without trying to check it out at a couple thousand feet and a couple hundred mph in passing from a small window.
PS: Really, extremely unlikely that any jet pilot is willing to risk his job/livelihood by flying below published minimums over your neighborhood just to give somebody a fleeting glimpse of a piece of real estate. It's 100% certain that they're on numerous radar screens, ranging from ATC Center to the Airport radar that they're flying into/out of. Their altitude transponders are on, reporting their altitude, too, to those radar screens. Given that the FAA has computerized sensing of "busting" altitudes below minimums and automatically generate letters of inquiry, it's taken pretty seriously in the business.
Moreover, "bust" your minimum altitudes in such an area as you depict and it's likely that a pilot will be getting a radio call requesting them to "call this number" when you're done taxiing in. That phone number will be direct to an FAA agent who will want to discuss the recorded violation and has the power to cite the pilot with serious suspension of flight privileges, fines, and remedial testing/training. It can add up to a lot of money, loss of income, and potentially the loss of a career. Just so you know, the "long arm of the Law" follows aircraft via tracking and the IFR flight plans of these jets, so even if it's a jet taking off from a local airport and landing many miles/hours away, the FAA is still there to notify the pilot upon landing that they are requesting a phone call to discuss what could be a very serious matter. And once the FAA has the documentation that a serious violation has taken place, they've got nothing that's a higher priority to pursue, they will go after gross violations very aggressively. And your allegations of such low flight are serious violations.
PPS: Few jet pilots got into that level of aircraft without a lot of mandatory required training and learning the rules/regulations that apply to their operations. Again, few would risk those privileges to consistently annoy you ... your complaint is not just one aircraft, but numerous aircraft in local airspace. Sorry, but this defies all reason in the aviation business.
I appreciate your ire, but absent any documentation that proves all these jet aircraft are flying below minimum published altitude over your neighborhood, you are in fact being "an ass" about your perception of a local attraction. It just doesn't add up, sorry.
I live about 7-8 miles from the nearest airport. When I built my house 12 years ago, there were no flight paths over my house and I never heard anything except the occasional life flight helicopter or the normal "far off" plane sounds.
But over the years, as they've added new flight paths, I now have a few every day that go low enough over my house to gently vibrate the windows, and a couple a month that make me cringe and think "That was low". And I'm quite a ways from the airport.
Are you actually seeing these planes, to see that they are flying over that low, and are NOT commercial airliners? Or are you just hearing them?
Funny, as I was typing this, a plane flew over my office, low enough that I heard it over the traffic and radio playing in the building. And my office is more than 10 miles from the nearest airport.
here is the house they are directly lining up with
"This story appears in the September 22, 2013 issue of Forbes.
When the Feds indicted SAC Capital Advisors in July, they didn’t name the hedge fund’s founder, Steve Cohen. But the filing did mention an “individual residing in Greenwich, Connecticut,” which is where the 57-year-old investor, worth $9.4 billion, has his principal, massive home. No matter his legal woes, he has been on a spending spree, paying $155 million for a Picasso that casino billionaire Steve Wynn once put his elbow through and acquiring three new multimillion-dollar homes. He now owns six properties, all within the New York metro area.
30 Crown Lane, Greenwich, Conn.
Assessed Value: $23.1 million
Occupying 18-plus acres, the spread includes Cohen’s 35,000-square-foot main home plus a neighboring home purchased for $5 million in 2006, a full-size indoor basketball court, a glass-enclosed pool, a 6,700-square-foot ice skating rink, a two-hole golf course and hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of artwork."
"This story appears in the September 22, 2013 issue of Forbes.
When the Feds indicted SAC Capital Advisors in July, they didn’t name the hedge fund’s founder, Steve Cohen. But the filing did mention an “individual residing in Greenwich, Connecticut,” which is where the 57-year-old investor, worth $9.4 billion, has his principal, massive home. No matter his legal woes, he has been on a spending spree, paying $155 million for a Picasso that casino billionaire Steve Wynn once put his elbow through and acquiring three new multimillion-dollar homes. He now owns six properties, all within the New York metro area.
30 Crown Lane, Greenwich, Conn.
Assessed Value: $23.1 million
Occupying 18-plus acres, the spread includes Cohen’s 35,000-square-foot main home plus a neighboring home purchased for $5 million in 2006, a full-size indoor basketball court, a glass-enclosed pool, a 6,700-square-foot ice skating rink, a two-hole golf course and hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of artwork."
I don't mean to belittle your vision of "nicest in the country" and your local neighborhood pride, but many of the folk utilizing private jet aircraft are the owners of such properties themselves. And for a lot of them, they own more than several. They've got their own conspicuous consumption properties and they're not jealous or envious. Many of them travel in the same financial and social circles so they get to see these places firsthand.
At that, Google Earth and similar satellite GIS services provide ample opportunity for the curious to check out the places of the "rich and famous" without trying to check it out at a couple thousand feet and a couple hundred mph in passing from a small window.
PS: Really, extremely unlikely that any jet pilot is willing to risk his job/livelihood by flying below published minimums over your neighborhood just to give somebody a fleeting glimpse of a piece of real estate. It's 100% certain that they're on numerous radar screens, ranging from ATC Center to the Airport radar that they're flying into/out of. Their altitude transponders are on, reporting their altitude, too, to those radar screens. Given that the FAA has computerized sensing of "busting" altitudes below minimums and automatically generate letters of inquiry, it's taken pretty seriously in the business.
Moreover, "bust" your minimum altitudes in such an area as you depict and it's likely that a pilot will be getting a radio call requesting them to "call this number" when you're done taxiing in. That phone number will be direct to an FAA agent who will want to discuss the recorded violation and has the power to cite the pilot with serious suspension of flight privileges, fines, and remedial testing/training. It can add up to a lot of money, loss of income, and potentially the loss of a career. Just so you know, the "long arm of the Law" follows aircraft via tracking and the IFR flight plans of these jets, so even if it's a jet taking off from a local airport and landing many miles/hours away, the FAA is still there to notify the pilot upon landing that they are requesting a phone call to discuss what could be a very serious matter. And once the FAA has the documentation that a serious violation has taken place, they've got nothing that's a higher priority to pursue, they will go after gross violations very aggressively. And your allegations of such low flight are serious violations.
PPS: Few jet pilots got into that level of aircraft without a lot of mandatory required training and learning the rules/regulations that apply to their operations. Again, few would risk those privileges to consistently annoy you ... your complaint is not just one aircraft, but numerous aircraft in local airspace. Sorry, but this defies all reason in the aviation business.
I appreciate your ire, but absent any documentation that proves all these jet aircraft are flying below minimum published altitude over your neighborhood, you are in fact being "an ass" about your perception of a local attraction. It just doesn't add up, sorry.
Without responding point by point, you clearly have a vast knowledge of aviation that I do not. When I fly into town we do pass over many homes, many of which are by the water. I love that and miss it when flying into the NYC airports. I still think that there are several of these planes taking a view at this $22mm estate. I now realize that flight is within legal altitudes, a layman would assume they are too low as they are an encroaching on my solitude.
Not sure how I am being an ass when you are the one assuming none of the above is possibly true, even before I make reference to the property that makes my point valid. That piece of real estate is among the nicest in the country. The home itself is well documented in luxury home publications,etc therefor proving it is an attraction. This conversation sucks. I digress.
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