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Oh come now. Crew screwup. Simple as that. Some FA and Captain having a bad day. I would guess I have seen people go to the rest room while on the move a few hundred times. Sitting next to David Frost on one occasion when the crew woke him up so he could clean up and change shirts as we were on short final. Obviously pre-planned. I was also in Chicago on one of the great disaster days when it took well over 3 hours to get to the gate. Then two hours later I caught the plane before the one I was supposed to catch to spend another 2 hours before taking off. Obviously the potty was in use and the real problem became potty capacity.
And note that returning to the gate meant getting that plane out of the queue and delaying all on board for at least most of an hour. All because FA and Captain were annoyed.
Simply crew stupidity. You always let one who declares a personal emergency use the john. An unwritten law of flying.
Oh come now. Crew screwup. Simple as that. Some FA and Captain having a bad day. I would guess I have seen people go to the rest room while on the move a few hundred times. Sitting next to David Frost on one occasion when the crew woke him up so he could clean up and change shirts as we were on short final. Obviously pre-planned. I was also in Chicago on one of the great disaster days when it took well over 3 hours to get to the gate. Then two hours later I caught the plane before the one I was supposed to catch to spend another 2 hours before taking off. Obviously the potty was in use and the real problem became potty capacity.
And note that returning to the gate meant getting that plane out of the queue and delaying all on board for at least most of an hour. All because FA and Captain were annoyed.
Simply crew stupidity. You always let one who declares a personal emergency use the john. An unwritten law of flying.
Exactly. Or as I put it in a previous post: it's a training issue - nothing more.
Everyone must be seated while taking off. That's for safety reasons. The person would get hurt if the plane is moving and people are standing up.
I think a lot of these people don't realize that being on a plane is a privilege. It's not a right. They can kick you out at any time if they want to (just like they did the other guy who didn't want to leave when the flight was overbooked).
I feel kind of bad, because I wonder if sometimes these people who have a hard time following directions are just people who are mentally ill. There are certain people that always have to do the wrong thing, even if it is a hazard to themselves (like in this case). They feel an urge to not follow the rules. The rules are there for a reason, and it's very rude of any person to break the rules, when everyone else is following the rules. Think of the other passengers who had to wait extra, because some person chose to insubordinately walk to the bathroom and make everyone else feel unsafe.
Especially in the world of today where it's hard to tell if someone is mentally ill or preparing to attack or something, someone who is not following the rules is automatically a suspect. The TSA and security would want to find out who this person is.
I just read it, and your idea of having a crew calling the pilot just because one person wants to go to the bathroom is not reasonable. Especially if they were only waiting for 30 minutes or something. I could understand being stuck in the tarmac for 1 hour or 2 hours (as sometimes does happen), in which case, yes the pilot will get a break time for people to go to the restroom, but that's in cases where there is a major delay.
Not only that, but what if the policy of the airline is to never stop the plane for bathroom purposes, unless they are delayed for more than 50 minutes or something. You don't know what the rules of an airline are. There might not be an option to ask a pilot if you want to stop the whole take off sequence, just because you want to pee. Just because you saw someone do it at one time, doesn't mean they haven't changed the rules or that different airlines don't have different rules.
Personally, asking to go to the bathroom in the middle of take off, is like asking to stop a moving attraction, because you dropped your sunglasses. You're gonna have to wait until the attraction is over and then afterwards see if you can pick it up. That's the policy in almost any environment where you have to do something that requires stopping a moving vehicle.
Why do you feel sympathy for the one man wanting to break the rules, and not sympathy for the people who follow the rules and the other airplanes that are waiting to take off as well, who would be delayed by this one person going to the bathroom? It's almost as bad as the other guy who was forced to get out of the airline because it was overbooked. Again, passengers feeling entitled, as if they own the airline or something. If the airline wants to remove any and every passenger for whatever reason, they can and no one should complain, especially when they're being compensated.
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Everyone must be seated while taking off. That's for safety reasons. The person would get hurt if the plane is moving and people are standing up.
I think a lot of these people don't realize that being on a plane is a privilege. It's not a right. They can kick you out at any time if they want to (just like they did the other guy who didn't want to leave when the flight was overbooked).
I feel kind of bad, because I wonder if sometimes these people who have a hard time following directions are just people who are mentally ill. There are certain people that always have to do the wrong thing, even if it is a hazard to themselves (like in this case). They feel an urge to not follow the rules. The rules are there for a reason, and it's very rude of any person to break the rules, when everyone else is following the rules. Think of the other passengers who had to wait extra, because some person chose to insubordinately walk to the bathroom and make everyone else feel unsafe.
Especially in the world of today where it's hard to tell if someone is mentally ill or preparing to attack or something, someone who is not following the rules is automatically a suspect. The TSA and security would want to find out who this person is.
They were not taking off yet. They had been sitting there for 30 minutes when he got up to go to the washroom! I could see if they were about to take off but that was not the case. It was ridiculous that they removed him. It's also ridiculous that these airlines make people sit for that amount of time or even longer (hours even) on the tarmac and expect people to not need to use the washroom, etc.
They were not taking off yet. They had been sitting there for 30 minutes when he got up to go to the washroom! I could see if they were about to take off but that was not the case. It was ridiculous that they removed him. It's also ridiculous that these airlines make people sit for that amount of time or even longer (hours even) on the tarmac and expect people to not need to use the washroom, etc.
If he knew he wasn't supposed to go up, or if people told him that he couldn't go to the restroom, then he should have sat down and waited. Why did he refuse all counsel and continue going? That's why he was removed.
I just read it, and your idea of having a crew calling the pilot just because one person wants to go to the bathroom is not reasonable. Especially if they were only waiting for 30 minutes or something. I could understand being stuck in the tarmac for 1 hour or 2 hours (as sometimes does happen), in which case, yes the pilot will get a break time for people to go to the restroom, but that's in cases where there is a major delay.
Not only that, but what if the policy of the airline is to never stop the plane for bathroom purposes, unless they are delayed for more than 50 minutes or something. You don't know what the rules of an airline are. There might not be an option to ask a pilot if you want to stop the whole take off sequence, just because you want to pee. Just because you saw someone do it at one time, doesn't mean they haven't changed the rules or that different airlines don't have different rules.
Personally, asking to go to the bathroom in the middle of take off, is like asking to stop a moving attraction, because you dropped your sunglasses. You're gonna have to wait until the attraction is over and then afterwards see if you can pick it up. That's the policy in almost any environment where you have to do something that requires stopping a moving vehicle.
Why do you feel sympathy for the one man wanting to break the rules, and not sympathy for the people who follow the rules and the other airplanes that are waiting to take off as well, who would be delayed by this one person going to the bathroom? It's almost as bad as the other guy who was forced to get out of the airline because it was overbooked. Again, passengers feeling entitled, as if they own the airline or something. If the airline wants to remove any and every passenger for whatever reason, they can and no one should complain, especially when they're being compensated.
If you read the thread, how did you miss the posts where people stated attendants on flights they were on DID check with the pilot and allowed the passenger to go to the bathroom??!!
Now it's Delta and I agree with the passenger. The plane was in line awaiting their turn for takeoff, he was told he couldn't use the bathroom, he sat down and waited, but finally got up and used it.
Even you yourself didn't say that. You said he was told he couldn't go to the bathroom. Random posters can post whatever they want. They could be right or wrong, I don't know, I was just responding to the original OP. Which is what most first time posters are replying to, unless they specifically quote someone else.
Still I feel the comments I made still stand on their own and are of merit. If he was given a permission and there was some miscommunication between the people who escorted him and the flight staff, then that has nothing to do with not being able to go to the bathroom, which is what most posters on here are talking about.
Plus, if there was a misunderstanding, then the person who did go to the bathroom could easily have given the excuse he gave and it would have all been okay. Still you should be cooperative in situations where you are seen as suspicious. Sometimes employees are wrong and can give you wrong directions. That happens, but that doesn't mean that what he did wasn't wrong or against airline or FAA regulations. Unless you're saying that you think he was framed.
Last edited by clearlevel; 04-29-2017 at 05:00 PM..
Even you yourself didn't say that. You said he was told he couldn't go to the bathroom. Random posters can post whatever they want. They could be right or wrong, I don't know, I was just responding to the original OP. Which is what most first time posters are replying to, unless they specifically quote someone else.
Still I feel the comments I made still stand on their own and are of merit. If he was given a permission and there was some miscommunication between the people who escorted him and the flight staff, then that has nothing to do with not being able to go to the bathroom, which is what most posters on here are talking about.
Plus, if there was a misunderstanding, then the person who did go to the bathroom could easily have given the excuse he gave and it would have all been okay. Still you should be cooperative in situations where you are seen as suspicious. Sometimes employees are wrong and can give you wrong directions. That happens, but that doesn't mean that what he did wasn't wrong or against airline or FAA regulations. Unless you're saying that you think he was framed.
This is the problem when you post without reading the thread - and then read specific posts but not all of them.
I'll try this again.
The FAA rules are in place to keep people safe during ascent and descent. That makes sense. When you're sitting on the tarmac for thirty minutes and ask to use the restroom, some attendants are anal, and cannot process information so they're using common sense, so they simply say, "NO".
Other attendants, as described in some posts in this thread - including on Delta - handled the same type of situation by going to check with the pilot and then coming back to give the passenger permission to use the rest room. This is called COMMON SENSE customer service.
As I posted previously, it's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The letter of the law refers to the law as it's written. The spirit of the law is still true to the initial intention, which is to keep passengers safe, even though they're not following the law as it's written.
The odds of someone injuring themselves by getting up and going to the restroom while the plane is either sitting still or very slowly moving forward in line, are slim to none.
The crew this guy had blew it by stupidly saying no without good cause. His choices, as someone else pointed out, were to either relieve himself where he sat, use a container to urinate into in the public area, or get up and use the rest room. He chose the least embarrassing, and as someone else pointed out, he probably would have gotten kicked off had he chosen one of the other two.
This isn't the way to treat passengers. The flight attendant could have, and should have, spoken to the pilot. Other attendants have done it, so to say it's against rules is ridiculous.
And yes, I do trust the people who have said they've seen this because they're credible posters.
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