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Did a 2500 mile route on a NEW 737 (SWA), and yes... too miserable..
1) the overhead lids drop DOWN instead of UP, (no head room EXCEPT in Aisle)
2) Seat pitch was WAY too tight (No way to bend forward in seat, definitely impossible to 'Brace for impact')
3) New seats were thin bricks (thinner construction / less cushion)
4) Seat bottom angles forward (so you continually slip out), especially in exit row (non-reclining)
Maybe I'm getting too old for ''cattle car"... (TIGHT seating!!!... Just deplaned from a direct 15.5 hr 787 flight SFO>SIN) Fortunately we saved 2 hrs / due to no headwind.
This 787 seemed as tight as 737-900.
40+ yrs... and I'm back to my HS weight (But not width)...
Back to the goal of leaving 10 kg behind in Asia, the trip home will be much better.
Did a 2500 mile route on a NEW 737 (SWA), and yes... too miserable..
Southwest has
24 rows * 6 seats - 1 seat =143 seats with 17" width on Boeing 737-700
30 rows * 6 seats - 5 seat =175 seats with 17" width on Boeing 737-800
25 rows * 5 seats =125 seats with 18.5" width on Bombardier CS100 Global Swiss
29 rows * 5 seats =145 seats with 18.5" width on Bombardier CS300 Global Swiss and airbaltic
Last year there was air traffic of 18.84 million air passengers between USA and UK. Shortest flights are 3000 miles.
For routes 3470 statue miles or less accounted for 6.14 million passengers or 32.58%.
That's a lot of potential for the new 737MAX for Transatlantic transit. Norwegian has already started a 3444 mile TransAtlantic flight on a 737 (Stewart NY to Bergen Norway).
They may start 737 narrow body flights to Oslo Norway next from their three USA airports
SWF OSL 3651 miles
BDL OSL 3582 miles
PVD OSL 3,552 miles
In addition to UK, there is Ireland, and other nearby countries.
For a million seats each direction per day, you need 29 aircraft. Norwegian has ordered over a hundred.
In 2019 the long range A321neo will be delivered which will fly up to 4000 nmi, or 4600 statute miles. Note that 13 million passengers from the USA to the UK last year flew for 4000 nmi or less.
Norwegian has not ordered any of these jets, but the Icelandic airlines sure have.
The 707-27-37-57 cross section was designed sixty years ago, when people were 1.5" shorter and weight 30-40lbs less. The set of anthropometrics used to design those interiors was from WW2 to Korea, when people were not as wide!
Time to move on, airlines!
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The DC-9 with 5 across seating was much preferred by customers over B737 six across crowded seating. Airlines bought 60% more DC-9s (893 planes) than the B737s (546 planes) from their introduction in the 1960's to deregulation in 1978. After deregulation, the airlines were much more concerned about profits and the B737 sales took off.
By the early 1980s the DC-9 production ended with 976 deliveries and the original B737 ended with 1144 deliveries. Then on February 24, 1984 the new B737-300 (later to be dubbed B737 classic series) had it's first flight.
Bombardier is trying to reintroduce the 5 across seating to minimize middle seats to nominal 29 out of 145 seats. They also give airlines the option of a 19" wide middle seat by cutting the other 4 seats from 18" to 17.5". That would give the unlucky person who ends up in the middle seat a little extra width.
I'm bringing back this three-year-old thread based on these comments. I got to fly on the A-220 (what started out as the Bombardier jet that Paco referenced) and, oh my, was it ever nice! The wider seats, the 2-3 seating configuration, it was all just so much nicer than other narrow-body planes.
Airbus (on its own and also through Bombardier) seems to understand that people are larger now than they used to be. But Boeing doesn't get it, so instead they try to pump new life into a 60-year-old design with their 737 MAX. As much as I love Southwest, now that I've experienced the A-220 on Delta, I will seek out that plane whenever I travel, and if I can find a flight that's using it, I'll take it over the 737.
I'm bringing back this three-year-old thread based on these comments. I got to fly on the A-220 (what started out as the Bombardier jet that Paco referenced) and, oh my, was it ever nice! The wider seats, the 2-3 seating configuration, it was all just so much nicer than other narrow-body planes.
Airbus (on its own and also through Bombardier) seems to understand that people are larger now than they used to be. But Boeing doesn't get it, so instead they try to pump new life into a 60-year-old design with their 737 MAX. As much as I love Southwest, now that I've experienced the A-220 on Delta, I will seek out that plane whenever I travel, and if I can find a flight that's using it, I'll take it over the 737.
Unfortunately, the A220 is likely to satisfy only a niche market in the U.S. Those cities that are too small for 737/A320 service, but too big for service by regional contractors. That's been Delta's path anyway, if you consider the A220 a replacement for the 717.
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Unfortunately, the A220 is likely to satisfy only a niche market in the U.S.
Those cities that are too small for 737/A320 service, but too big for service
by regional contractors. That's been Delta's path anyway, if you consider the
A220 a replacement for the 717.
I've been following new commercial aviation developments all my life, and this is the first I have heard of an Airbus 'A220'! I just looked up that it entered service in 2013.
Unfortunately, the A220 is likely to satisfy only a niche market in the U.S. Those cities that are too small for 737/A320 service, but too big for service by regional contractors. That's been Delta's path anyway, if you consider the A220 a replacement for the 717.
You're right that the A-220 is the obvious replacement for the 717, but it can also open up whole new markets. It has the range to fly coast-to-coast, so it could serve a vast host of markets that have been too small to serve with larger planes, or markets that have been unprofitably served by larger planes before now.
But my main point was that it's just so comfortable, compared to the 737. The 2-3 seating configuration and the wider seats (19 inches, I believe) make it a more pleasant ride than a 737.
I've been following new commercial aviation developments all my life, and this is the first I have heard of an Airbus 'A220'! I just looked up that it entered service in 2013.
It started out life as part of the Bombardier "C" series but then somehow got taken over by Airbus. (I'm not at all clear on the details.) I didn't realize that it had entered service so long ago. I was under the impression that it entered service just last year, though maybe I'm thinking of entering service in the United States.
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It started out life as part of the Bombardier "C" series but then
somehow got taken over by Airbus. (I'm not at all clear on the details.)
I didn't realize that it had entered service so long ago. I was under the
impression that it entered service just last year, though maybe I'm thinking
of entering service in the United States.
The U.S. government I'm sure does their level best to delay the adoption by domestic airlines of foreign aircraft as much as possible.
I did a few Portland, Or to Boston nonstops on Alaska 737-800s. Thats about a 6 hour flight and they were always full flights. For those of us that have flown for years, and use to Wide Body's on cross country nonstops. A cross country 737 flight is not all that appealing. It is very cramped. Passengers and flight Attendants are in each others way. Lines at the very few rest rooms. Nothing we can do about it though. It seems thats what the airlines are using now. I wasn't surprised when I heard that Southwest was flying the 737 to Hawaii. Or Norwegian was flying them from the Northeast to Europe.
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