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Old 02-04-2018, 06:37 AM
 
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really? you wan tot stick to that story do you? fact is that konrad zuse, a GERMAN created the first electro-mechanical programmable computer as noted here;

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000984.htm

and colossus was the first programmable electric computer created by the code breakers at bletchly park who were trying to break the german enigma code.

however we can go back much further in time to ancient greece where the first mechanical computers were created. nice try, but again you fail.

perhaps you want to suggest that the russians created the first airplane? the first hot air balloon? the first automobile? what else would you like to fail to prove so you can show yourself to be the fully indoctrinated useful idiot?
First you need to learn how to read. It was mentioned about the first computer classic. The computer is modern pioneal in the form that we see today in the modern world. Historical documents prove irrefutably that the world's first aircraft was created in Russia. The creator of the world's first aircraft is Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaysky. He built and tested the first plane twenty years earlier than the Wright brothers in America, who until recently was completely undeservedly attributed this invention. It was Mozhaisky that adopted the project and the aircraft in the modern sense of the word, namely:
- the presence of the fuselage, wings, propeller group, landing gear, tail unit;
-For the first time in history the device was manufactured and tested. And demonstrated to the public in1876 ​​in St. Petersburg.
In 1877 A.F. Mozhaisky decided to "subject his invention to a court of scientific criticism by inviting the military ministry to use his project for military purposes in the forthcoming war with Turkey." The inventor appealed to Count V. Totleben, Chairman of the Air Force Commission of the War Ministry, asking him to provide him with the necessary funds "for the further production of research and experiments both over the movement of the projected projectile and for determining the various data necessary for the rational and correct arrangement of all the components of such a projectile ".

January 20, 1877 by order of the War Minister Count B.C. Milutin for the consideration of the project A.F. Mozhaisky was formed a special commission, which included also D.I. Mendeleev. After two meetings, the commission presented a detailed report on the Mozhaisky project to the Main Engineering Department. Thanks to the support of D.I. Mendeleev, it was decided to let the inventor 3000 rubles (money at that time huge) for further work and oblige him to submit a program of experiments on the apparatus.

February 14, 1877 A.F. Mozhaisky presented his program of experiments on the models of the aircraft to the Main Engineering Administration. It provided for the study of propellers, the determination of the sizes and shapes of the steering and bearing surfaces, the specific load on the wing, the resolution of the question of controllability and strength of the aircraft.

On preliminary studies AF. Mozhaisky spent about 15 years. Spend the same amount of time on the construction of an aircraft - an inadmissible luxury. And the inventor coped in less than 5 years - by early 1882 the plane was ready.
The Russian inventor, Rear Admiral Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaisky In 1881 he received a "privilege" (patent) for the "aeronautical projectile" (airplane) he invented, which was built in full size in 1882.The first flight took place in public in 1882.


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In addition, there are notes in the newspapers. A few days later the newspaper Kronstadtsky Vestnik enthusiastically wrote: "The inventor quite rightly decided the long-standing question of aeronautics. The device with the help of its propellers not only flies, runs on the ground, but can also swim. The speed of flight of the device is amazing; he is not afraid of gravity or wind and is able to fly in any direction ... "
Mikhail Ivanovich Mendeleyev, a professor at St. Petersburg University, was interested in Mozhaisky's experiments, whose works were already known worldwide. Perhaps he insisted that the special commission of the Main Engineering Administration allocate funds to the inventor to continue the experiments. The great scientist became like-minded Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaysky. The inventor developed a clear "Program of Experiments on Aircraft Models" - a document that was the world's first scientifically developed aerodynamic research plan, without which it is impossible to build the aircraft itself.

Having received only a part of the promised amount (2,192 rubles), the inventor undertook the implementation of his program. He had to work in very difficult conditions. But, despite difficulties and extreme need, A.F. Mozhaisky soon built a new model of an airplane. This model, according to contemporaries, "flew completely freely and descended very smoothly; the flight took place also when the dagger was placed on the model, which represents a very significant cargo. The invention of Mr. Mozhaisky was already tested by several well-known specialists and earned their approval ... The very invention is kept secret. "

 As a result of new studies carried out, A.F. Mozhaysky in the beginning of 1878 came to the conclusion that it is possible to use air resistance to create a lifting force. On this subject he wrote: "... for the possibility of hovering in the air there is some relation between the severity, speed and size of the area or plane, and, undoubtedly, the greater the speed of movement, the greater the weight can carry the same area." This formulation of one of the most important laws of aerodynamics - the significance of speed for the creation of a lift - was given by A.F. Mozhaysky 11 years before the publication of such works by G. Marey and O. Lilienthal, who reached the same conclusion only in 1889. It is well known that the mathematical substantiation of the rise of the lifting force was first given in 1905 by the Russian scientist N.E. Zhukovsky in his work "On attached vortices", in which he derived a theorem on the lift of a wing.

In the spring of 1878, A.F. Mozhaisky decided to move to the construction of a full-sized aircraft. On March 23, 1878, he applied to the Main Engineering Directorate with a memorandum stating that "the data required for the resolution of the matter can only be obtained over an apparatus of such size that a person could control the power of the machine and the direction of the apparatus," and asked for the release of funds for the construction of an airplane, the cost of which was determined at 18,895 rubles.

The prayer-room of the "balloon projectile", designed by AF Mozhaisky. Like a modern aircraft, it had all the main components - the fuselage, wings, tail, control and power unit.

For the first time having developed a fuselage type aircraft, Mozhaisky for 30-odd years of opera-lil Western European and American designers, who only in 1909 began to build such aircraft. And Ilya used a fuselage-stick for landing on the ox for the first time was implemented in 1913 by another Russian designer and inventor, D.P. Grigorovich - the creator of the first boat gilroaeroplan.

The proposal of the designer was considered by a special commission, which presented detailed drawings of the aircraft, justified by calculations, and an explanatory note containing the description of the apparatus.

As engines it was planned to install two steam engines with a total capacity of 30 hp. One of the machines was supposed to work on the nasal pulling screw, and the other - through transmission to the two rear propellers. The device, according to the plan of the inventor, could make a landing and on water, for which the fuselage was given the shape of a boat.

In addition to the development of the project, A.F. Mozhaisky described in detail the technique for taking off his aircraft and foresaw the installation of aeronautical equipment: a compass, a speedometer, an altimeter barometer, two thermometers, three rollers and a sight for bombing - the aircraft was intended for bomber and reconnaissance purposes.

The expert commission, which this time included foreigners with little interest in the development of Russian aviation - General Pauker, General Gerya and Colonel Walberg - believed that if the problem of building an aircraft is heavier than air and will be solved, it is by no means in Russia , but in Western Europe. Having considered the explanatory note of A.F. Mozhaysky, the commission issued a strikingly ignorant decision in which it was said that she "does not find the assurance that the experiments on Mozhaisky's projectile, even after various possible changes in it, could lead to useful practical results, if not it is designed by a shell on completely different bases, with movable wings that can change not only their position relative to the gondola, but also their shape during the flight ... The amount claimed now by Mr. Mozhaysky is so significant that the commission does not resolve I welcome her provision.

Once upon a time, Leonty Shamshurenkov created the first self-propelled vehicle, which is considered the prototype of a modern car. This device can develop a speed of about 15 km / h and was equipped with a device that measures the mileage.

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Ivan Kulibin's Rolling Carriage

It was not without the famous Ivan Kulibin. He came up with a three-wheeled scooter that drove around the city at a speed of 16 km / h. There were even some details that are used in modern transport to this day, for example, a brake or gearbox.

Some think that the very first world car was designed exactly by engineer Karl Benz. But it is worth acknowledging that he really made a huge contribution to the promotion of these vehicles.

The first machines were equipped with a steam engine. Only in a century they were replaced by apparatus with internal combustion engines. In Russia, devices were created in the 19th century.

The very first car with a steam engine won the widest popularity. The machine was developed in 1769 by the French scientist Cunho and was called the "Small Canyon of Cuneo". This transport could pick up speed of only 4.5 km / h, and water and steam was enough for only 12 minutes of movement.


continue?What's next? can a TV, television, mobile phone, movie camera, tank, radio,submarine, steam locomotive, nitrone collider?

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Old 02-04-2018, 06:47 AM
 
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First you need to learn how to read. It was mentioned about the first computer classic. The computer is modern pioneal in the form that we see today in the modern world. Historical documents prove irrefutably that the world's first aircraft was created in Russia. The creator of the world's first aircraft is Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaysky. He built and tested the first plane twenty years earlier than the Wright brothers in America, who until recently was completely undeservedly attributed this invention. It was Mozhaisky that adopted the project and the aircraft in the modern sense of the word, namely:
- the presence of the fuselage, wings, propeller group, landing gear, tail unit;
-For the first time in history the device was manufactured and tested. And demonstrated to the public in1876 ​​in St. Petersburg

In addition, there are notes in the newspapers. A few days later the newspaper Kronstadtsky Vestnik enthusiastically wrote: "The inventor quite rightly decided the long-standing question of aeronautics. The device with the help of its propellers not only flies, runs on the ground, but can also swim. The speed of flight of the device is amazing; he is not afraid of gravity or wind and is able to fly in any direction ... "
continue?
any photographic evidence of this claim you make? the wright brothers had such evidence. and if your guy really did create, AND FLY the first aircraft, it would have been news around the world, especially in europe, where one mr bleriot was heard to comment upon seeing the wright flyer perform that the americans were ten years ahead of the europeans. these guys kept up with technology news around the world even in that time. sorry but without evidence, your claim is rubbish.

and by the way, the earliest russian aircraft i can find was made in 1910, seven years AFTER the wright brothers flew;

http://survincity.com/2013/09/the-fi...-years-of-the/

nice try, but another failure.
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Old 02-04-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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any photographic evidence of this claim you make? the wright brothers had such evidence. and if your guy really did create, AND FLY the first aircraft, it would have been news around the world, especially in europe, where one mr bleriot was heard to comment upon seeing the wright flyer perform that the americans were ten years ahead of the europeans. these guys kept up with technology news around the world even in that time. sorry but without evidence, your claim is rubbish.

and by the way, the earliest russian aircraft i can find was made in 1910, seven years AFTER the wright brothers flew;

The first Russian aircraft: 100 years of the airplane Gakkel | Encyclopedia of safety

nice try, but another failure.
I have already presented you more than necessary. it was PUBLIC and patented
Besides this it was in the newspapers.

I gave you a complete list in this matter, even mentioned people. if you are interested, then the data on this you will find.
!!
But it should be noted that before the first glider of Mazhaysky, glider models were created, but until full-sized and in such a form as Mazhaysky was not. Many do not even know about these designers. But their full-sized gliders did not go into the air for various reasons.

The first plane with a gasoline engine was in 1910 this is true biplane design engineer Prince Alexander Kudashev.
And so did Russia 1 in 1910 but it was made according to the construction of Farman .
Biplane "Russian Knight" became the world's first four-engined aircraft. The designer was Igor Sikorsky in1913. a familiar name?
The helicopters are now being built by his ancestors. And by the way. In 1922, Professor G. Botezat, who emigrated from Russia to the United States after the revolution, built the world's first steadily controlled helicopter, commissioned by the US Army.

all that concerns Russia, the West has always perceived and perceives Russia's achievements with denial. so that your arguments are ridiculous. The same thing happened with the radio. who invented Popov and also Publicly long before Morkoni demonstrated it. Popov was a professor and a military engineer. Carrots are an entrepreneur who was uneducated in radio engineering. and when he appropriated a radio, he patented it incorrectly. because he did not know his principle of work. in his opinion, Waves did not spread in the atmosphere. they spread through the earth. and by the way, Morkoni was present in St. Petersburg at Popov's lectures.
But you know we people do not invent it today. This has already been before us in other civilizations. and all that is created is access to the information flow. to a generic memory. I believe in this and I think this is true. I know from my own experience. Therefore it is foolish to argue about this and to prove something.
Today, there are many brilliant scientists or designers and they live in different countries. As for the United States. it is a country of emigrants. And many minds came to the USA from other countries.

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Old 02-04-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Who told you that they can not
One just has to look at their struggles with SU-57 to see how inferior Russian capabilities are for building a stealth aircraft. They are failing to accomplish something that the US already had in combat almost 30 years ago. It's funny to hear you trying to rationalize their failures by implying Russia doesn't really want them or it's India's fault.

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Who told you that they can not
I will repeat that as a combat unit, stealth stealths have a very narrow range of applications. At the same time, its flying and maneuvering qualities are greatly reduced. Russia aircraft built using stealth technology are not needed. They are needed only to create competition in the arms market and that's all.[/quote]
Narrow range = fighting other aircraft, bombing things, recon... you know just a huge segment of what military planes are used for.

I'm not going to bother reading the rest of the fables in your post, Aesop.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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Is that what you say? How many thousands of flights did the Russian pilots in two years in Syria? How many are American?
92 thousand air strikes: what results were achieved by the Russian Air Force in two years of operation in Syria?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Russia has done a lot of air strikes against forces with primitive air defense weapons? Congrats!

Meanwhile USA has gone in and dominated in conflicts against actually integrated air defense systems, most of which were Russian design.


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Here's a fact for you. that the Russian pilots are much more professional and hardier. So keep practicing propaganda.
I'm not talking about pilots of helicopters, which are the most professional pilots. The Americans can not fly like this and are afraid.

American helots are not able to fly, as Russian pilots fly. So this is the American pilots are average.
Yes Russian pilots are really good at air shows.

In Syria where Russia brought their carrier (you know the one that is accompanied by an ocean tugboat since it breaks down so often) they managed to lose 2 of their planes to accidents before they admitted they just don't have the skills to safely and effectively operate a carrier in combat so transferred the carrier's fighters to a land base.

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Old 02-04-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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One just has to look at their struggles with SU-57 to see how inferior Russian capabilities are for building a stealth aircraft. They are failing to accomplish something that the US already had in combat almost 30 years ago. It's funny to hear you trying to rationalize their failures by implying Russia doesn't really want them or it's India's fault.


I will repeat that as a combat unit, stealth stealths have a very narrow range of applications. At the same time, its flying and maneuvering qualities are greatly reduced. Russia aircraft built using stealth technology are not needed. They are needed only to create competition in the arms market and that's all.
Narrow range = fighting other aircraft, bombing things, recon... you know just a huge segment of what military planes are used for.

I'm not going to bother reading the rest of the fables in your post, Aesop.[/quote]
You say bull****. I already described this topic in detail. As for India, it is cunning. The contribution of India to the Russian development is always only money.

this is not a fable is a reality. this is a narrow range. so do not talk again delirium.

There are no invisible aircraft, so enough to write and repeat the same thing. Russia has not created a copy of the F22 that the US has been using for 30 years. she created the aircraft the decisive range to set the necessary RF for you. and this plane exceeds F22 precisely. this can be judged on planes Su 30 and 35. In addition, he received unique engines. enough su 30 to confront with F22 A. except for this in the melee F22 chances will not be. how much does F22 cost? how much is SU30? SU30 sees any stealth plane, especially its infrared sensors, which neither F22 nor F35 has. so stop writing
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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greykarast, a glider is NOT an airplane, sorry, but the wright brothers were the first to fly an airplane. gliders had been around for many years before around the world.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Russia has done a lot of air strikes against forces with primitive air defense weapons? Congrats!

Meanwhile USA has gone in and dominated in conflicts against actually integrated air defense systems, most of which were Russian design.



Yes Russian pilots are really good at air shows.

In Syria where Russia brought their carrier (you know the one that is accompanied by an ocean tugboat since it breaks down so often) they managed to lose 2 of their planes to accidents before they admitted they just don't have the skills to safely and effectively operate a carrier in combat so transferred the carrier's fighters to a land base.
And what kind of integrated war are you talking about? I think enough of the fact that all nato confronted only 6 seconds 29 with success. and NATO planes were afraid to approach them. Only then approached, when the minis worked on the ground and for one moment had 3 sketches of the aircraft. read my posts here before
Here you are storytellers. Who gave you codes of his own in Iraq? Russia. before that, the United States could not break into the US. or did you not know? The US threw Tagagawa missiles and always fights with countries with weak pvos. all countries used the old Soviet pvos. try to break through with 300. I would like to see this. we talked about the pilots and the Russia pilots are hardier and better than American it's a fact. I'm not talking about the pilots of aerobatics, which are not similar in the west. only Russian aerobatics groups perform aerobatics elements on combat serial aircraft.
Let's stop composing fairy tales? The cruiser did not break if that. this is your imagination. Two planes were lost because the cables could not withstand the load, since Rosmia uses heavy aircraft unlike the light American ones.
There was a case when Pilot Popov suggested on his su to sit on the deck of the US aircraft carrier. The American admiral did not agree, because he said that the cables could not stand it. Popov said that according to his calculations they must endure. To what did the admiral of the United States ask how he would soar? catapult can not disperse it. to which Popov said that he himself will fly to afterburner of his engines. but the admiral refused. this is a real fact.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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greykarast, you are far too indoctrinated to see the truth. you are useless to talk to.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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greykarast, a glider is NOT an airplane, sorry, but the wright brothers were the first to fly an airplane. gliders had been around for many years before around the world.
Sorry, but Mozhaisky created the plane and it's been patented. it was a classic plane. Read the post, if interested.
The Wright brothers equipped him with a gasoline engine, instead of a steam engine. it's naturally given the years.In this they were the first indisputable.
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