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Old 12-06-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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Runways are 5,800ft and 6,900ft in length. Landed in heavy downpour....my guess short runway-hydroplane-possible windshear........nobody hurt. Just the usual fun stuff.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Runways are 5,800ft and 6,900ft in length. Landed in heavy downpour....my guess short runway-hydroplane-possible windshear........nobody hurt. Just the usual fun stuff.
This happened some years ago, and the aircraft went through the fence, across Hollywood Way and into a gas station. I don't think weather was a factor in that accident.

I'm wondering if the combination of relatively-short runways and heavy rain squeezes the margin of safety too low for a 737-size aircraft arriving at BUR. Any pilots or other aviation experts here to offer informed opinions?
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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I know a couple of SW and AA pilots who don't care for the BUR airport at all, even less so than John Wayne/Orange County in Santa Ana. I have landed at BUR in an Alaska 727 and an AA MD-80 and it seems very short, no margin for error, one of the reasons there is that engineered materials arresting system (EMAS) at the east end of 8/26. EMAS seemed to work very well, much like the pea gravel pull-offs for out-of-control trucks in hilly areas.

The combination of heavy rains and short runway will likely be cited as a causal factor in this mishap. Anyone actually fly in as a pilot and not a passenger? What is the runway condition like? Revetted rubber, those skid marks all over the place in the landing zones, can greatly affect stopping distance when wet, and it is worse in dry areas that don't get a lot of rain, which includes the LA Basin. Note also that landing to the east is a slight downhill, 0.5%. Not that much, but physics is physics, and every little bit helps or hinders.

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Old 12-07-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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This happened some years ago, and the aircraft went through the fence, across Hollywood Way and into a gas station. I don't think weather was a factor in that accident.

I'm wondering if the combination of relatively-short runways and heavy rain squeezes the margin of safety too low for a 737-size aircraft arriving at BUR. Any pilots or other aviation experts here to offer informed opinions?
Tens of thousands of landings have happened since the last one went thru the fence and it's actually a 100ft longer than KSNA. Turns out this guy landed with approx a ten knot tailwind, which might have been barely legal on a sunny day but should have generated a go-around on this deal. Has happened before and will surely happen again, we're all human..........visibility was 1 mile and 1,300 over.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:56 PM
 
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There's an ATC issue with airports that lie beneath Class B airspace, where the big dog (in this case LAX) determines traffic flows. This sometimes results in airports having to conduct operations in conflict with prevailing winds and runway configuration. It's how you end up landing with 10 knot tailwinds.

The FAA takes care of the big hubs. Traffic at every other airport within the airspace plays along at their own risk, or goes somewhere else.
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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This is the one that went through the fence and into the gas station.
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20000305-0

Forget the plane, look at the gas prices.....
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:24 PM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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This is the one that went through the fence and into the gas station.
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20000305-0

Forget the plane, look at the gas prices.....
A friend of mine who flew for US Air at the time sent me that back in 2000, and that was the first thing I said in reply. For a different reason, at the time gas in SC was around a buck-ten a gallon.
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Old 12-08-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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Old 12-09-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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https://abc7.com/southwest-flight-sk...rport/4846973/

Runways are 5,800ft and 6,900ft in length. Landed in heavy downpour....my guess short runway-hydroplane-possible windshear........nobody hurt. Just the usual fun stuff.
I believe this happened a few years back and the aircraft ended up partway on either a city street or the freeway! Oops!
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Old 12-11-2018, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Was that the Southwest flight at Midway that punched through the barrier? It looks snowy, so doubtful it's California.
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