Baltimore VERY Dangerous. Do NOT live there (public schools, income)

[KLynch10]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

I am glad your experience is going well, I know many others that share ancedotal stories of living safely there too, great for all of you.

But you can't sugarcoat the stats. The city as a whole is one of most violent and dangerous in the entire country. Most of the "great neighborhoods" are just a leasurely stroll away from places that look like the 3rd world.

As I said, if you are smart, act in a safe manner, and are able to afford to live in a "safe zone" you can live a normal life, but the facts are the facts, and Baltimore is one most crime-ridden and violent cities in the country. It does no one any good to try and rationalize this away because it hasn't effected you personally.

You should go to Canton or Federal hill or Roland Park or Hampden sometime, see if you feet still work after walking from either to a "Third World" neighborhood.

Baltimore has some really bad areas, name me a City that doesn't. These crime stats get a little skewed because the The City limits are very small, and bring down the averages and percentages. Baltimore City has 650k, draw the City Lines out 5 miles to each direction, the City probably doubles in size and all of these "RATES" go way down.

Here is a good list that shows you the size of many cities, if our lines where two to three times wider like many of these cities, than the rankings for many of these things come way down. And the areas stay just as dense as most of these cities. Baltimore has the 21st greatest population but the 81st largest City.

http://www.census.gov/statab/ccdb/cit1010r.txt

I've been living here for over 10 years, never had anything happen to me, never had anything happen to my friends other than a couple car broken windows. Baltimore has bad parts but also has great neighborhoods that are much safer than many places thought to be harmless.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by KLynch10

You should go to Canton or Federal hill or Roland Park or Hampden sometime, see if you feet still work after walking from either to a "Third World" neighborhood.

Baltimore has some really bad areas, name me a City that doesn't. These crime stats get a little skewed because the The City limits are very small, and bring down the averages and percentages. Baltimore City has 650k, draw the City Lines out 5 miles to each direction, the City probably doubles in size and all of these "RATES" go way down.

Here is a good list that shows you the size of many cities, if our lines where two to three times wider like many of these cities, than the rankings for many of these things come way down. And the areas stay just as dense as most of these cities. Baltimore has the 21st greatest population but the 81st largest City.

http://www.census.gov/statab/ccdb/cit1010r.txt

I've been living here for over 10 years, never had anything happen to me, never had anything happen to my friends other than a couple car broken windows. Baltimore has bad parts but also has great neighborhoods that are much safer than many places thought to be harmless.

Oh, come on. I live in Western Maryland. I regularly hike 4 or 5 miles over hilly terrain like a billy goat, strolling 2 or 3 miles through the flat city to get from Canton to North Ave. wouldn't even be a warm up.

You point about the suburbs being nice are largely correct. I lived in Towson, and found it very upscale, but the suburbs aren't the city, either based on lines drawn on an map or in the land use, archticture, or history. We have to deal with the world of the Baltimore City as it currently exists which doesn't rate well when compared to other cities, and that includes other places with a sharp demarcation in official city/suburb political boundaries.

I am not sure why some other poster pulled up a post from months ago that I believe was between me and you. I agree with you now, like I did then. There are nice places in the city to live, and a set of rules to live by to keep you safe, but the city as a whole has problems as a whole that are larger in scale than nearly everywhere else in the country.

[jonjj]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Oh, come on. I live in Western Maryland. I regularly hike 4 or 5 miles over hilly terrain like a billy goat, strolling 2 or 3 miles through the flat city to get from Canton to North Ave. wouldn't even be a warm up.

You point about the suburbs being nice are largely correct. I lived in Towson, and found it very upscale, but the suburbs aren't the city, either based on lines drawn on an map or in the land use, archticture, or history. We have to deal with the world of the Baltimore City as it currently exists which doesn't rate well when compared to other cities, and that includes other places with a sharp demarcation in official city/suburb political boundaries.

I am not sure why some other poster pulled up a post from months ago that I believe was between me and you. I agree with you now, like I did then. There are nice places in the city to live, and a set of rules to live by to keep you safe, but the city as a whole has problems as a whole that are larger in scale than nearly everywhere else in the country.

"Nearly everywhere else in the country"?
You're being a bit of a drama queen here with this statement. Granted, Baltimore has many issues but it is certainly not alone in trying to tackle them. ALL cities have poverty. All cities are competing for suburban dollars, etc. And, not just larger cities. The city of Cumberland is coping with many issues. Let's try to be a bit realistic as we make statements about places.

[westsideboy]

JJ, check my recent posting history, I pull the wool over no ones eyes on Cumberland's recent and disturbing upswing in crime. I am the first to say we are now dealing with problems that cities, like Baltimore, have had for many years and I am extremely upset by it.

Drama Queen? Baltimore is normally rated as one of the Top Ten WORST cities in the country for crime, especially violent crime. There are at least 1,000 cities/towns in the US, this puts Baltimore in the lowest percentile grouping for violent crime. The stats say that Baltimore has a crime problem that is worse than 99% of the rest of the cities in America, not me. Here is a recent list: Any google search can bring you dozens of others.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities In The USA | News One

[Tinawina]

I know it's none of my business, so forgive me for sticking my nose in this fight. It just seems like you guys are not holding opposing stances, you know? Both can be true at the same time. Baltimore can be 1. A city with one of the highest rates of violent crime AND 2. A city where most of the violent crime happens in areas with a heavy drug trade, not affecting the people who don't live at or near those areas much. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me anyway.

It seems like a very dangerous city if you participate in drug business and/or can't afford to live in an area where the trade is not prevalent. But if that's not you, then it's no more dangerous than any major city. I think anyway. **shrugs**

I now prepare to get flamed. LOL

[westsideboy]

No flame necessary, that is exactly what I have been saying. Pick a good neighborhood, be smart and safe, and statistically the odds swing over to your side.

This reality doesn't change the fact that the city as a whole has serious problems with crime and ranks among the most violent cities in the country.

It is both at the same time.

[Mr. Wanderlust]

Originally Posted by deandre

Move out then not like anybody want you here anyway

Most things would vastly improve if people like you moved out of MD altogether.

[GoldCountry80]

Originally Posted by NYMTman

Baltimore is friendly compared to the other BosWash cities, but rude compared to basically anywhere else.

Sounds like the Sacramento or San Jose of the east.

[kharing]

Originally Posted by GoldCountry80

Sounds like the Sacramento or San Jose of the east.

Dusty post from three years ago....

[satchseven]

poverty breeds crime, baltimore has crime because of the blue collar work leaving and it is one of the most racist job markets in the usa.if you are a black college grad ,you can forget about working downtown for a private industry. i grew up there and after the last time i worked their i vowed i would never work there again, a lot of racist white folks there helping create the crap crime conditions there.if you black and not working for the government you going to catch hell there if you blue collar.