Johns Hopkins employee stabbed to death by "career criminals" (Baltimore: crime rate, how much)
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You know what ? I'll say it, because no one else will: blacks commit crime in numbers wildly disproportionate to their representation in the population. BLACKS COMMIT THE MAJORITY OF VIOLENT CRIME.
That this is absolutely, positively true is beyond peradventure. A leading scholar, among many, who has written extensively on this issue is Heather Mac Donald. For starters, I'll direct you to these articles, as well as to her biography:
Baltimore is a cesspool. You need to be careful regarding who is near you on the street. If it's a black man, chances are higher that you may be a crime victim. Flame me if you want; I'm not gonna respond. I'm just glad I am gone from "Charm City" .... ugh.
I am going to try and be as polite as possible here, under the circumstances and given the tone and content of your post...
I say this...you can trot out all the 'scholarly statistics and articles' that you wish...you can express yourself in capital letters, too, as if your jumping up and down red-faced with your fists balled up and screaming, is going to move me one way or another---it won't...
Congratulations on your 'escape', as it were, from Baltimore...I'm sure the hard-working black folks in that city (and contrary to your rant and sidehanded smear of the city, they DO exist, and live there) will sleep better at night knowing that there is one less intolerant individual in their midst...
This is NOT an attempt in any way, shape, form, or fashion, to justify those 2 a**wipes who murdered that person...if I had my way, immediate execution by firing squad would be just right...no, my problem comes when you, like so many others, look to paint EVERY BLACK PERSON in Baltimore as someone to be hated, feared, and despised...
But you see, there are too many others here, white and black alike, who are united in their disgust over such broad and unfounded stereotyping...are there parts of Baltimore to avoid, and thus avoid people who live there as well? Maybe so, and that is the case in almost every city of size in this country...
I'll close by borrowing a portion of your opening statement...you know what? I'll say it, becasue no one else will---I've said this several times recently, on different threads here on City-Data, and I'll say it again...I will not waste my good time labeling, pigeonholing, demonizing, and outright stereotyping, every white man, woman, and child in Baltimore, and in America, as some kind of nightmarish closet racist/KKK'er/Stormfronter or whatever other derogatory silly terms come to mind, simply because you chose to piddle your diaper in some foot-stomping 'blacks commit the majority of violent crimes!' hissy-fit...
No, you stay safe and dry in Texas, or wherever you hang your hat now, in your perceived safety zone, and cobble together all the articles and statistics you want...the rest of us will try to learn to peacefully co-exist, and go on about the business of life and love and peace, without resorting to anti black/white tantrums
You know what ? I'll say it, because no one else will: blacks commit crime in numbers wildly disproportionate to their representation in the population. BLACKS COMMIT THE MAJORITY OF VIOLENT CRIME.
Baltimore is a cesspool. You need to be careful regarding who is near you on the street. If it's a black man, chances are higher that you may be a crime victim. Flame me if you want; I'm not gonna respond. I'm just glad I am gone from "Charm City" .... ugh.
Sadly It is true that most crimes in Baltimore are committed by blacks.
In the same way the majority of child molesters/abusers, and sex offenders in some areas are white. I would not stereotype and keep my kids away from every white person I see. Using common sense in certain situations would be smart.
You are correct, numbers don't lie. But you are committing a statistical fallacy to make your point. Yes, Baltimore is about 64% black with a 2008 murder rate of 36.9; very high indeed. Why don't you look at a couple of other "core" Maryland cities along I-70? Frederick is 16% black with a murder rate of 3.3; under your rationale that blacks are genetically predisposed to committing murder the rate should be 13.2 in Frederick. Hagerstown is also 16% black with a murder rate of 7.5. Both Frederick and Hagerstown have black population proportions 1/4 the size of Baltimore's but how come those cities' murder rates are significantly less than 1/4 that of Baltimore's?
It is because blacks don't inherently commit murder (or other violent crimes). For 60 years in Baltimore during the 20th century, local government and city leaders embarked upon an aggressive campaign to confine Baltimore's black population into overcrowded slums. After these policies were outlawed by federal courts and the white Baltimoreans' legal challenges to these rulings failed, most of the entire white Baltimore population as well as most of the black middle class left Baltimore. What was left behind were the impoverished blacks in the same old slums plus a housing stock where almost no new affordable construction has been made in the latter half of the 20th century and beyond. I think regardless of race or ethnicity, dilapidated tenements tend to be a breeding ground for violent crime in American cities. Always have been, always will be. According to city-data, Bowie, Maryland is equal parts black and white (both 44.3%). In 2008, ZERO murders and 2 rapes occurred there. Same murder rate as your beloved Burlington, Vermont (the largest city in the state but with 12,000 less people than Bowie) but Burlington is 89% white. However Burlington also had 19 rapes in 2008 versus Bowie's 2. Baltimore's rate of rape in 2008 was 21.6. - Burlington, Vermont's? 49.5 - go figure! I think you need a statistics course.
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Oh really ? What makes me "ignorant" and a "troll" ? The fact that I've drawn attention to a situation that you don't want to discuss because you don't like it ?
Baltimore is two-thirds black. Vermont is 0.9% black. Your chances of being a victim of violent crime in Baltimore are much higher than in Vermont. Numbers don't lie. Did you bother to read the Mac Donald articles ?!?
Yes, Lisa, my partner is black, and it pains him when he's treated differently than white people, simply because of his skin color. Like the time he was stopped by police in Boston, who demanded his ID at the Amtrak station for no apparent reason at all, when others (all white) were allowed to pass without reservation. But he also understands, sadly, that black men commit more crime than any other demographic group.
You can think whatever you want, kharing, but I bet you cross the street at night when you see a group of young black men. You'd be a fool if you didn't.
I am going to try and be as polite as possible here, under the circumstances and given the tone and content of your post...
I say this...you can trot out all the 'scholarly statistics and articles' that you wish...you can express yourself in capital letters, too, as if your jumping up and down red-faced with your fists balled up and screaming, is going to move me one way or another---it won't...
Congratulations on your 'escape', as it were, from Baltimore...I'm sure the hard-working black folks in that city (and contrary to your rant and sidehanded smear of the city, they DO exist, and live there) will sleep better at night knowing that there is one less intolerant individual in their midst...
This is NOT an attempt in any way, shape, form, or fashion, to justify those 2 a**wipes who murdered that person...if I had my way, immediate execution by firing squad would be just right...no, my problem comes when you, like so many others, look to paint EVERY BLACK PERSON in Baltimore as someone to be hated, feared, and despised...
But you see, there are too many others here, white and black alike, who are united in their disgust over such broad and unfounded stereotyping...are there parts of Baltimore to avoid, and thus avoid people who live there as well? Maybe so, and that is the case in almost every city of size in this country...
I'll close by borrowing a portion of your opening statement...you know what? I'll say it, becasue no one else will---I've said this several times recently, on different threads here on City-Data, and I'll say it again...I will not waste my good time labeling, pigeonholing, demonizing, and outright stereotyping, every white man, woman, and child in Baltimore, and in America, as some kind of nightmarish closet racist/KKK'er/Stormfronter or whatever other derogatory silly terms come to mind, simply because you chose to piddle your diaper in some foot-stomping 'blacks commit the majority of violent crimes!' hissy-fit...
No, you stay safe and dry in Texas, or wherever you hang your hat now, in your perceived safety zone, and cobble together all the articles and statistics you want...the rest of us will try to learn to peacefully co-exist, and go on about the business of life and love and peace, without resorting to anti black/white tantrums
Your post reminds me of a passage from Shakespeare: "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
I never stated, or implied, that every black person in Baltimore is to be hated, feared, and despised. There's not a single expressed thought in my post that would cause a reasonable person to label me a racist, and indeed I am not a racist, and never have been. I peacefully co-existed with blacks during the five years I lived in Baltimore (at least, I always tried to). But if you, in your la-la land, are suggesting, for example, that I or anyone else walking home from work at, say, 11 pm on Baltimore street (as I often did), should ignore or not assess the risk coming from a black man in my vicinity, then you're either deluded or you need to return to remedial kindergarten.
Everyone living in Baltimore, black or white (black especially), is at a higher risk for being a victim of violent crime (a higher risk than most other places in the country), largely due to Baltimore's demographics. It's a risk I was no longer willing to take, and neither was my partner. It only makes the news when the victim is white. To suggest that the risk doesn't exist (a la Rodney King ... why can't we all just get along ?!? love & peace lol), or to demonize someone who states what is almost never stated on this forum, is intellectually dishonest, and laughable.
I'm glad that these stories are posted on this forum. They deserve to be publicized. If it saves even one person from moving to Baltimore, it will have been worth it. Numbers don't lie, even if people (like you) do. Write me back when you tell me your daughter is dating a black man, and that you're happy about it. I'll venture to say that, having been in a relationship with a black man for over 15 years, I've been around a lot more black folk than you. To say that their feelings about this subject are stronger than mine would be an understatement. Quite frankly, you don't know what you're talking about, especially if you refuse to read anything about the subject. Given that, I'm wondering why I'm wasting time writing this. But I did; please don't underwhelm me again.
You are correct, numbers don't lie. But you are committing a statistical fallacy to make your point. Yes, Baltimore is about 64% black with a 2008 murder rate of 36.9; very high indeed. Why don't you look at a couple of other "core" Maryland cities along I-70? Frederick is 16% black with a murder rate of 3.3; under your rationale that blacks are genetically predisposed to committing murder the rate should be 13.2 in Frederick. Hagerstown is also 16% black with a murder rate of 7.5. Both Frederick and Hagerstown have black population proportions 1/4 the size of Baltimore's but how come those cities' murder rates are significantly less than 1/4 that of Baltimore's?
It is because blacks don't inherently commit murder (or other violent crimes). For 60 years in Baltimore during the 20th century, local government and city leaders embarked upon an aggressive campaign to confine Baltimore's black population into overcrowded slums. After these policies were outlawed by federal courts and the white Baltimoreans' legal challenges to these rulings failed, most of the entire white Baltimore population as well as most of the black middle class left Baltimore. What was left behind were the impoverished blacks in the same old slums plus a housing stock where almost no new affordable construction has been made in the latter half of the 20th century and beyond. I think regardless of race or ethnicity, dilapidated tenements tend to be a breeding ground for violent crime in American cities. Always have been, always will be. According to city-data, Bowie, Maryland is equal parts black and white (both 44.3%). In 2008, ZERO murders and 2 rapes occurred there. Same murder rate as your beloved Burlington, Vermont (the largest city in the state but with 12,000 less people than Bowie) but Burlington is 89% white. However Burlington also had 19 rapes in 2008 versus Bowie's 2. Baltimore's rate of rape in 2008 was 21.6. - Burlington, Vermont's? 49.5 - go figure! I think you need a statistics course.
Ah ... the words "genetically predisposed" were never uttered by me. I didn't suggest a cause for the situation I remarked upon, which is that blacks commit the majority of violent crimes, and commit violent crimes in disproportionate numbers vis-a-vis their percentage representation in the population. That fact situation holds true for almost every major American city. I don't need a statistics course, thanks .... I had plenty of those in preparation for receiving my Ph.D.
Your post reminds me of a passage from Shakespeare: "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
I never stated, or implied, that every black person in Baltimore is to be hated, feared, and despised. There's not a single expressed thought in my post that would cause a reasonable person to label me a racist, and indeed I am not a racist, and never have been. I peacefully co-existed with blacks during the five years I lived in Baltimore (at least, I always tried to). But if you, in your la-la land, are suggesting, for example, that I or anyone else walking home from work at, say, 11 pm on Baltimore street (as I often did), should ignore or not assess the risk coming from a black man in my vicinity, then you're either deluded or you need to return to remedial kindergarten.
Everyone living in Baltimore, black or white (black especially), is at a higher risk for being a victim of violent crime (a higher risk than most other places in the country), largely due to Baltimore's demographics. It's a risk I was no longer willing to take, and neither was my partner. It only makes the news when the victim is white. To suggest that the risk doesn't exist (a la Rodney King ... why can't we all just get along ?!? love & peace lol), or to demonize someone who states what is almost never stated on this forum, is intellectually dishonest, and laughable.
I'm glad that these stories are posted on this forum. They deserve to be publicized. If it saves even one person from moving to Baltimore, it will have been worth it. Numbers don't lie, even if people (like you) do. Write me back when you tell me your daughter is dating a black man, and that you're happy about it. I'll venture to say that, having been in a relationship with a black man for over 15 years, I've been around a lot more black folk than you. To say that their feelings about this subject are stronger than mine would be an understatement. Quite frankly, you don't know what you're talking about, especially if you refuse to read anything about the subject. Given that, I'm wondering why I'm wasting time writing this. But I did; please don't underwhelm me again.
Is there a moderator in the house to prevent this raving insanity?
Your post reminds me of a passage from Shakespeare: "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
I never stated, or implied, that every black person in Baltimore is to be hated, feared, and despised.
The only 'fury' I see here is coming from you. And you most certainly did imply that every black person in Baltimore -- indeed, black people in general -- was to be feared, if not hated and despised.
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There's not a single expressed thought in my post that would cause a reasonable person to label me a racist, and indeed I am not a racist, and never have been. I peacefully co-existed with blacks during the five years I lived in Baltimore (at least, I always tried to).
Given the attitude you're showing, that's hard to believe. I wouldn't want to 'co-exist' with you and I'm white. That someone displaying your ignorance claims to have a PhD makes me sad, particularly since you show no understanding of how statistics work. If you were an undergraduate I'd flunk you.
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Everyone living in Baltimore, black or white (black especially), is at a higher risk for being a victim of violent crime (a higher risk than most other places in the country), largely due to Baltimore's demographics.
Socio-economics has a hell of a lot more to do with it than skin colour, as you could learn if you'd quiet down and read some of the responses here, especially the one comparing Burlington with Baltimore. Different crimes have different causes. Vermont is economically a very different place than Maryland generally, and certainly you can't compare a largely rural state with a densely-populated (and economically depressed) urban centre without acknowledging that. You may not have used the term 'genetically predisposed', but then, you didn't have to. The only cause you suggested for the high crime rate in Baltimore was the fact that black people live there. Why? The reason you gave is that they're black. You're saying what other people aren't because you're a racist, not because it's some bold, unpopular truth.
Speaking as someone happy to be moving back to Baltimore: we won't miss you. Please stay gone. I hear Texas still has a few sundown towns; maybe you'd feel safer in one of those if Houston gets too scary for you.
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The only 'fury' I see here is coming from you. And you most certainly did imply that every black person in Baltimore -- indeed, black people in general -- was to be feared, if not hated and despised. ...
Speaking as someone happy to be moving back to Baltimore: we won't miss you. Please stay gone. I hear Texas still has a few sundown towns; maybe you'd feel safer in one of those if Houston gets too scary for you.
Yawn. My fury must have dissipated. It's hard to argue with people who believe in something that never occurred, or who (like Steeler) simply make up words ("genetically predisposed") and attribute them to someone else, even though those words were never stated.
It's sad that a city with such great potential is such a crap hole. True, many big cities have the same issues, but the passive attitude toward crime in Baltimore is disturbing. This is why I now live far,far away from Baltimore. To all life long Baltimorians, there is a better life out there! To all transplants, before you rip into my post, why don't you leave the security of your Federal Hill rowhome & and spend some time in the "real" Baltimore and then post your opinion.
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