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Old 04-29-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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I have no doubt Pig Town will be a very nice neighborhood at some point, it's just a question of when the first domino falls to take it from an area with rehabbed homes and crack houses, to a vibrant neighborhood. A new Casino development is likely going in across the st. and hopefully that is a positive thing. There have been rumors about a Race Track, Soccer Stadium and Arena over there... if any of those things were to happen.... it could definitely spur development.

IMO the most important thing that needs to happen is Quality Bar owners investing in the Neighborhood. Pig Town has a ton of rehabbed homes and young people but no where to catch a good bite or grab a drink. Once a couple good bars go in over there, it will lead to other bar owners investing, and all of the sudden it becomes a destination... and people want to live in a destination. Personally I know a couple Big Time Fed Hill Bar owners that almost inked a deal over there.... but the landlords were just too stubborn.

I went out in the "H Street" Neighborhood in DC, and it seemed like the opposite. A really run down place with nice bars.... but leading to rehabbed homes. Pig Town could be way ahead of H Street because there is already many nice houses in the neighborhood, and less public housing.

But I wouldn't recommend living in Pig Town.... I think it is fine for young men... wouldn't recommend it for females at this point.
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Old 05-01-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Hmm....bars making a neighborhood more desirable? Wouldn't they just attract the local riff-raff, who thanks to O'Malley, would loiter outside the establishment blocking the sidewalks everytime they want a smoke? Sounds like a great way to scare off potential investors to me.
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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The article was dated July, 2010. More up-to-date references would be helpful for someone currently looking for information.
We haven't hit summer yet it's up to date.
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Thanks for the articles. I have my answer. And, I"m beginning to doubt my decision to buy in Baltimore. Really. I'm not so sure anymore. I don't want to deal with its problems and be a casualty of a mugging or worse yet, a rape or gun to the head coming home late from my summer job. I really don't know anymore.
Don't forget the property taxes too! You sound young are you looking to live there or rent out as an investment? Why don't you rent a place and see how you like the area first?
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Not riff raff bars..bars where people can eat good food and drink (not mad dog) and hang out with friends and watch a game. Thats the number one problem right now...that and the Dollar General.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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So, do you tell the lowlifes, they can't walk down their street and drink at your bar? Do you set the prices ridiculously high to drive them away, without they yuppy base in place to fill the customer void?
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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So, do you tell the lowlifes, they can't walk down their street and drink at your bar? Do you set the prices ridiculously high to drive them away, without they yuppy base in place to fill the customer void?
Not quite that extreme, WSB. If you have a place that looks like an awful bar/package goods store possibly with bulletproof glass, it will attract that crowd. If you have a place that looks like a decent place to eat and grab a drink (for a local reference, think Baltimore Street Grill), it will attract a crowd of decent people - yuppies or not.

Remember, for the most part, the Yuppies are in Washington.

There are plenty of people in the neighborhoods west of MLK with the income/desire to dine or drink on Washington Blvd.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I guess it is opposite where I live. Our plan to revitalize neighborhoods is to get rid of, or crack down on, the bars in the riff-raff areas. Not only because it they are like rotting meat to blue bottle flies, but the eye-sore of lowlife smokers crowding the sidewalks creates a horrible image for a street or neighborhood.

I am not sure the BSG comparision is accurate unless you think a touristy/commercial area like downtown Cumberland is like a mixed-use residential neighborhood like Pigtown.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I've said this for years. What Pigtown lacks is a 'Pigtown Square' if you will. Location wise it's fantastic but there really isn't any reason to go there if you don't live in the area except to park during football games.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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They are desperately trying to improve the Washington BLVD main st area over there. There is facade improvements going on thanks to Obama Stimulus funds. They need to buy up the liquor licenses on all those crap bars on Corners several blocks down, move those to the main St. area, then turn the old Bars into nice Corner Houses. One of Pig Town's biggest problems is too many shady little businesses on every corner. How many different Corner stores that sell the same junk do you need?

I was slightly involved in several Bar Transformations over in Federal Hill. It is pretty simple to change a bar over from a "Rif Raf" crowd to a money spending, making the Neighborhood nicer crowd.

-Raise the Prices, $3 for Domestics, add some nice beers as well... you have to be more expensive till the crowd changes
-Remove the Poker Machines, Slot Machines, and the Lottery
-Remove the Cigarette Machine, if there is an ATM make the Fee high
-Clean up the appearance, Big Open Windows is Yuppy Paradise
-Add a menu of food that doesn't come off a hot plate or Fryer only

I think opening some nice bars in Pig Town would be a gold mine. You could become the Mothers, Magerks or Ropewalk over there. You will have to deal with some crap for a few years, but that is the price of a good investment.
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