05-16-2011, 04:08 PM
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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Its not just the Baltimore area. Cities that have experienced large amounts of white flight is more likely to be more racially segregated than cites that haven't had a long history of white flight. Cities that have experienced white flight tend to have a minority-majority city(usually a black majority) while the suburbs is a white majority. Philadelphia is a perfect example of that model.
05-16-2011, 07:18 PM
Location: Cumberland
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This is an old question, but it ought to be irrelevant. It seems to me that there is an inherent distrust between the races here in Baltimore and a hostility that is based upon ignorance of each other. If you live in separate worlds, how do you expect to understand each other, even if you are just down the street from one another?
What bothers me is that no one ever talks about this here. Back where I come from in the middle of the country, we do talk about it quite a bit. Yes, it's segregated there too, but somehow it's not quite as obvious as it is here. And there's a real sense that people are trying to change it.
I know the reason for the ongoing segregation in Baltimore is partly economic and partly historic, but it feels like an anachronism. Baltimore ought to be on the cutting edge of racial integration, as it once was on the cutting edge of segregation, as I can see from Barante's post. Why is it not a priority for everyone here -- black and white -- to integrate this city more thoroughly?
And no, I don't mean forced integration, which we all know doesn't work. I mean make a conscious effort to enable groups of people who traditionally turned their backs on each other, to turn around and talk with each other. Get together and figure out how we all can get along and work to make this a better, maybe even a great city. I don't see this happening at all, at least not in the year since I moved here.
I just found this five year old article from Urbanite:
The Elephant in the City | History | Urbanite Baltimore Magazine (http://www.urbanitebaltimore.com/baltimore/the-elephant-in-the-city/Content?oid=1246619 - broken link)
The article explains a lot about the history of what I'm talking about. Sadly, it appears that nothing has changed in five years.
I hate to answer a question with a question, but when you moved to B-more, which neighborhood did you pick? Was it one that was majority your own race? Would you move over to the other side of that "invisible line" right now if you had the chance? I think you may understand the "group" dynamic better if you are able to analyse the rationelle behind your own decisions.
As for why nobody "talks about it." I think it is because most people are comfortable with who they associate with. I loved Hamish's post about social engineering in friend groups. Is that how we should live? Should I feel ashamed that my friends are white? Should I go make "a black friend" to invite to parties so we look like the Burger King Kids club in our snapshots? Should I feel guilty that segregation isn't at the top of my talking points list?
Did any of the "talk" about segregation where you were from in the Midwest actually lead to any personal action on your part, or group action in the community or was it just talk to make people feel the prescribed level of guilt that popular culture says we are supposed to feel about race?
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05-17-2011, 05:01 AM
Location: un peu près de Chicago
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I drive past Poly almost every afternoon just as the kids are coming out of school. I see them walk past my car, and looking at their faces, they look smart. So how come almost all of them are black? If these are the smartest kids in the city, how come the smartest white kids aren't going to Poly?
Poly is 80% black. A white would be preyed upon going there. It's sad, but it's true. It is not a phenomenon particular to Baltimore. The situation is the same in Chicago.
05-17-2011, 07:21 AM
Location: NYC
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Poly is 80% black. A white would be preyed upon going there. It's sad, but it's true. It is not a phenomenon particular to Baltimore. The situation is the same in Chicago.
Preyed upon? Jesus. Get a hold of yourself. I've got a number of white friends who went to city and poly. They were not preyed upon. Poly students often take my bus home. The white ones are not preyed upon, nor am I. I live near City College. I don't see white students preyed upon.
Not only did they survive they did so while receiving a good education. Would it be the same at Frederick Douglass or Edmondson? I don't know. But these are good schools you're talking about here.
05-17-2011, 07:40 AM
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I think segregation is more a state a mind than where you live.
Case in point.. pick a gentrifying neighborhood in any city, usa. The neighborhood may have been predominately white, then became african american (following white flight) and is now becoming white again. You drive through the area and it represents the epitomy of diversity..BUT the white residents (possibly middle upper income and younger) may not interact with the african american (possibly middle age or older )residents some of which may have taken on their children/grandchildren as part of extended families and visa versa. In some cases there is resentment on both sides.. the middle income (often white) newcomers resent or do not understand some of the conditions that exist in the neighborhood or other nuances associated with the neighborhood that have been accepted by the longer term residents. The reverse may also be true where the longer term residents resent the higher taxes brought on by the gentrification... or may feel snubbed (intentionally or not) at community events in neighborhood leadership by the more active newcomers or even resent the new found attention on the neighborhood, by the city and politicos, that didnt exist prior to the newbies arrival. Also, if one group actively avoids contact of another group to include living socializing, walking on the same street, talking to etc.. that is more of an active form of segregation than just moving to a neighborhood that is full of people that look like you.
I dont think people should start and affirmative action program and try to make artificial friends or move into neighborhoods just so they live among a certain race or group. I do think that if you are concerned about this.. Good.. Try to interact with people from whatever group that you have a guinuine interest.. a festival, event, social function etc same as you would as if you were networking to get into your new career field. Find people that have a similiar interest to your own. Contrary to popular belief all of "x" race of people are not alike and you are likely to find people that *gasp* have similiar interest as you (disclaimer: as long as you are not a racist hell bent on the distruction of "x" group
) . If you like them and they are good folks.. keep in touch..most people can evaluate your character and determine if you are guinuine or simply trying to be patronizing..which can be offensive.
There are no easy answers. I do think we should spend less time on where someone lives and more time on how we interact and treat one another.. You can live in a suburb or a city and be in a segregated community.. but have a network or social circles of diverse people based on common interest and goals and be totally fine. Its not necessarily ideal.. but its a more realistic way to begin to "talk about" segregation and to begin to break down barriers. That is the side of the equation that we should spend most of our time and effort
05-17-2011, 07:40 AM
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Poly is 80% black. A white would be preyed upon going there. It's sad, but it's true. It is not a phenomenon particular to Baltimore. The situation is the same in Chicago.
please stop talking out of the side of your neck. it's like saying a black kid would be preyed on in an 80% white majority school. it's 2011, not 1911. i attended both majority black public and majority white private schools and i'd say my experiences at both schools were good. kids are kids regardless of color.
05-17-2011, 10:26 AM
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The fact remains that Poly is predominately black. There must be a reason.
More white parents in Baltimore City send their kids to private schools than not.
05-17-2011, 10:34 AM
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The fact remains that Poly is predominately black. There must be a reason.
More white parents in Baltimore City send their kids to private schools than not.
Baltimore is predominantly black. Could that be the reason?
Also, people with wealth everywhere send their kids to private schools.
05-17-2011, 11:01 AM
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Poly is 80% black. A white would be preyed upon going there. It's sad, but it's true. It is not a phenomenon particular to Baltimore. The situation is the same in Chicago.
Whom are you talking about? Those kids? At Poly? The ones I see walking home from school each day don't look like they are going to prey on anybody! They are going home to study!
And if 20% of Poly students are white, are those kids getting preyed upon? In what way?
I notice there are two semi-finalists in the Intel science competition from Poly this year -- one black and one white. The white guy was smiling in the photo, so I guess he's not getting preyed upon. And the black girl looks like preying is not on her agenda either (unless she's praying she wins the contest). She's too busy filling out her applications to Harvard and MIT!
05-17-2011, 11:30 AM
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I don't know if this is the best site in the world, but according to this, Eastern Tech, Poly and Western are the 3 best performing Public High Schools in the state. Pretty sure everyone is just there to get a good education, not hate.
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/MD/sc...ool=0009000151
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)