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Old 08-08-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:12 AM
 
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You're the first post since Yesterday 08:28 PM, thus causing an action you didn't want to happen.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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Unfortunately.. in Lithicum they are trying to shut down the Light Rail Station due to crime....The MTA said that they may limit the hours of the stop to 8pm.. which I guess means that the trains will express the station after that time. I wonder how long it will be, if this is approved, before other communities make the same request? Once the MTA goes down that road.. they may be opening up a can of works.. Timonium, Mt. Washington, etc could follow suit
I have been riding the lite rail an average of three times a week, and the only crime I see at or near the Lithicum station is some very bad graffiti that is obviously not gang-related. Also, a decent number of Orioles fans and BWI/airline employees (including pilots) get on/off at this station, so the logic of restricting its usage to 8 pm is totally ridiculous.

As for "bringing a criminal element to Anne Arundel County", the only criminals that ride public transportation are drug dealers, for the most part. Outside of drug dealing, any criminal from, say, Baltimore, that would do crime in AA County would more-than-likely drive as one aspect of criminal activity is to get away as fast as possible. Sorry, but riding a subway into AA County, doing a crime, then walking back to the station, waiting for the subway/train, and then sitting on the subway/train like a lame duck for an extended period of time is just asking to be caught. And most criminals do not want to get caught.

The real reason that the line into AA County was blocked was because of the supposed "threat" of blacks moving into the area because of the access to public transportation.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:00 AM
 
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I have been riding the lite rail an average of three times a week, and the only crime I see at or near the Lithicum station is some very bad graffiti that is obviously not gang-related. Also, a decent number of Orioles fans and BWI/airline employees (including pilots) get on/off at this station, so the logic of restricting its usage to 8 pm is totally ridiculous.

As for "bringing a criminal element to Anne Arundel County", the only criminals that ride public transportation are drug dealers, for the most part. Outside of drug dealing, any criminal from, say, Baltimore, that would do crime in AA County would more-than-likely drive as one aspect of criminal activity is to get away as fast as possible. Sorry, but riding a subway into AA County, doing a crime, then walking back to the station, waiting for the subway/train, and then sitting on the subway/train like a lame duck for an extended period of time is just asking to be caught. And most criminals do not want to get caught.

The real reason that the line into AA County was blocked was because of the supposed "threat" of blacks moving into the area because of the access to public transportation.

Yeah... I think most people just assume crime would go up.. In some cases it may.. but mainly crime at the station itself.. as you mentioned someone waiting on a desolate platform for a train.. that person could become a target for an armed robbery especially for a transit savy mugger who know the train schedules or the peak hours of usage at a station.. Its less likely to be the burgular that steals the flat screen and rides it home on the rails.

Its interesting that when you think of Baltimore and transit related development.. it doesnt translate into "development" like it does in places like DC. Most of the Light Rail Stations (and subway for that matter) do not have major new development around them.. Owings Mills, State Center, Reistertown Plaza are popping up NOW.. and on the Light Rail Line you have State Center (proposed) and Westport(proposed)..Woodberry is probably the best example of new(er) development and to some degree Mt. Washington which was existing.... and almost nothing in the Counties other than say Hunt Valley which would have developed with or without the Light Rail Station. I guess the reason for this is that most people in Bmo still use their cars heavily (we are not at DC levels of gridlock), housing prices are more reasonable whether you are close to transit or not.. not to mention we dont have the same level of high dollar jobs which along with congestion would place a premium on developing next to transit stations.

This is why the Red Lines impact on development in the City is questionable. I can see development at the West Baltimore MARC Station and maybe at an "East Baltimore" EBDI Station near Hopkins because of the direct access to DC.. Stations North near Penn is slowly but surely moving forward.. they too have the DC access as well but there hasnt been an explosion of development UB notwithstanding... Thats not to say its not making progress.. but the progress is likely not due directly to the access to transit per se as it may be proximity to UB, MICA and it being a natural "overflow" area for Bolton Hill and Mt. Vernon and a good connection between these areas and Charles Village.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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I have been riding the lite rail an average of three times a week, and the only crime I see at or near the Lithicum station is some very bad graffiti that is obviously not gang-related. Also, a decent number of Orioles fans and BWI/airline employees (including pilots) get on/off at this station, so the logic of restricting its usage to 8 pm is totally ridiculous.

As for "bringing a criminal element to Anne Arundel County", the only criminals that ride public transportation are drug dealers, for the most part. Outside of drug dealing, any criminal from, say, Baltimore, that would do crime in AA County would more-than-likely drive as one aspect of criminal activity is to get away as fast as possible. Sorry, but riding a subway into AA County, doing a crime, then walking back to the station, waiting for the subway/train, and then sitting on the subway/train like a lame duck for an extended period of time is just asking to be caught. And most criminals do not want to get caught.

The real reason that the line into AA County was blocked was because of the supposed "threat" of blacks moving into the area because of the access to public transportation.
This reminds of one of the myriad of reasons why Georgetown never got a subway station in DC. Then again, the racial reasoning for not having a metro station there has been debunked.

Could the reasoning why AA County blocked it also be a myth?
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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This reminds of one of the myriad of reasons why Georgetown never got a subway station in DC. Then again, the racial reasoning for not having a metro station there has been debunked.

Could the reasoning why AA County blocked it also be a myth?

No.

My mother lives in Ferndale, within sight of the Light Rail tracks. I was living there when the Subway was built and worked for one of the sub-contractors on the project. I couldn't tell you how many times I heard "It'll bring [Anglo-Saxon term for sexual intercourse][anti-Black slur] out of the city." from people in the area. Sometimes they substituted "crime" for the ethnic slurs, but I heard the slurs enough to know that "crime" was just a synonym for the slurs for use when they were trying to be "polite".
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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No.

My mother lives in Ferndale, within sight of the Light Rail tracks. I was living there when the Subway was built and worked for one of the sub-contractors on the project. I couldn't tell you how many times I heard "It'll bring [Anglo-Saxon term for sexual intercourse][anti-Black slur] out of the city." from people in the area. Sometimes they substituted "crime" for the ethnic slurs, but I heard the slurs enough to know that "crime" was just a synonym for the slurs for use when they were trying to be "polite".
I have heard this story from folks since I moved into the City. Do people (of whatever ethnic background) from the City who want to commit crimes actually ride the light rail out to Ferndale and all points in between to commit crimes? I know Hunt Valley may have seen a rise.. but its a shopping disrtict and thus a destination. Ferndale.. though it has a nice little "small town main street" I wouldnt imagine is a destination and thus would said folks spend time to ride all the way out there and walk around suburban style streets to break in to homes and what not and flee back to the train to escape? I believe Linthicum is the only community that I have heard that actually wanted to close their station because of this issue.. they instead got more MTA Police. Not saying that there is zero crime near light rail stations and that no criminal has never ever committed a crime and then escaped on the light rail.. just wonder if it was perception or reality now that it is in place.....
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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I have heard this story from folks since I moved into the City. Do people (of whatever ethnic background) from the City who want to commit crimes actually ride the light rail out to Ferndale and all points in between to commit crimes? I know Hunt Valley may have seen a rise.. but its a shopping disrtict and thus a destination. Ferndale.. though it has a nice little "small town main street" I wouldnt imagine is a destination and thus would said folks spend time to ride all the way out there and walk around suburban style streets to break in to homes and what not and flee back to the train to escape? I believe Linthicum is the only community that I have heard that actually wanted to close their station because of this issue.. they instead got more MTA Police. Not saying that there is zero crime near light rail stations and that no criminal has never ever committed a crime and then escaped on the light rail.. just wonder if it was perception or reality now that it is in place.....

Well, "crime" was just what they said when they didn't want to say "f****** n******". And I heard both versions more times than I could possibly keep track of.


There have been thefts in Ferndale attributed to Light Rail riders, but most of the complaints seem to come from merchants in the Cromwell Shopping Center.


While I won't make any claims myself about criminals using the Light Rail system, it's certainly true that any time you make travel easier and more convenient for honest people, you've also made it easier and more convenient for criminals.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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I'm going to like this post just because you had the intelligence to even bring such a topic up for discussion. Woulda, coulda, shoulda is like a universal mantra that most progressive Baltimoreans chant everytime we see backwardness propelled to us as progressive. My grandfather came to Baltimore from NYC during the mid 1960's, before he made his transition, he eluded to how Baltimore could possibly been a better city with the right visionaries at the helm.


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Check it out:
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/BRRTS_Map_L.jpg

Routes and Stations for 71-mile B.R.R.T.S. System
(These stations and numbers correspond to the above map)

CENTRAL STATION
1. Charles Center

NORTHWEST LINE
2. Lexington Market
3. Bolton Hill
4. Laurens Street
5. North Avenue (West)
6. Mondawmin
7. Cold Spring Lane (West)
8. Rogers Avenue
9. Reisterstown Plaza
10. Milford Mill Road
11. Old Court Road
12. Randallstown

SOUTH LINE
13. Inner Harbor
14. Leadenhall Street
15. Cherry Hill
16. Belle Grove
17. Fort Meade Road
18. Friendship International Airport
19. Glen Burnie
20. Marley

NORTH LINE
21. Monument
22. Biddle Street
23. North Avenue (North)
24. 29th Street
25. 33rd Street
26. Cold Spring Lane (North)
27. Belvedere
28. Anneslie
29. Towson
30. Lutherville
31. Timonium

SOUTHEAST LINE
32. Market Place
33. Central Avenue
34. Patterson Park
35. Highlandtown
36. City Hospitals
37. Dundalk
38. Merritt Boulevard
39. Sparrows Point
40. Eastwood
41. Rolling Mill Road
42. Essex
43. Marlyn Avenue

NORTHEAST LINE
44. Johns Hopkins Hospital
45. Gay Street
46. North Avenue (East)
47. Erdman-Sinclair
48. Herring Run
49. Frankford Gardens
50. Radecke Avenue
51. Hazelwood Avenue
52. Overlea
53. Parktowne
54. Joppa-Belair

WEST LINE
55. Fremont Avenue
56. Fulton Avenue
57. Poplar Grove Street
58. Wildwood Parkway
59. Edmondson Village
60. Academy Heights
61. Catonsville
62. Rolling Road
63. Chalfonte Drive


Source: Baltimore Region Rapid Transit System
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