The Kids Can't even enjoy a Holiday (Baltimore: attorney, safest)
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Looks like Baltimore's night was very tame compared to many other cities. Sucks it happened in Baltimore, but obviously misbehavior is a problem in many cities.
I've always had the notion that any violence, even a shoving match, is likely to end in murder. I grew up with the expectation that violence never solves anything and always escalates. I wouldn't want to live in a place where people thought a fist fight was more acceptable than a gun fight. They are equally unacceptable. That said I have resigned myself to the fact that this opinion isn't well received in certain communities, but at least in Baltimore people are less likely to start fist fights because they anticipate the escalation. Peaceful resolution via deterrence is still peaceful
You already do. A mutual affray isn't even a crime to my knowlege, and a even a one-sided fist fight (normally prosecuted as some form of assault/battery) carries a far less severe penalty than MURDER. The reason should be obvious. A fist fight that ends in a few bruses and busted lips is different than taking a life. The law reflects this difference between simply harming someone and KILLING them with different sentencing guidelines for the different crimes.
I don't think anyone is saying that fist fights are OK, but they aren't nearly the same as murder. There must be some point of cultural difference here since it would never cross my mind that simply engaging in a tussle with someone is likely to end in murder. I guess that is the difference between living in a city with a endemic culture of killing and living in one that doesn't.
You already do. A mutual affray isn't even a crime to my knowlege, and a even a one-sided fist fight (normally prosecuted as some form of assault/battery) carries a far less severe penalty than MURDER. The reason should be obvious. A fist fight that ends in a few bruses and busted lips is different than taking a life. The law reflects this difference between simply harming someone and KILLING them with different sentencing guidelines for the different crimes.
I don't think anyone is saying that fist fights are OK, but they aren't nearly the same as murder. There must be some point of cultural difference here since it would never cross my mind that simply engaging in a tussle with someone is likely to end in murder. I guess that is the difference between living in a city with a endemic culture of killing and living in one that doesn't.
From the legal perspective, of course one is much more severe than the other. I just meant from a civil perspective I think they are both horrendous. It isn't about a culture of killing, it is about a culture of violence in any form. I guess I just don't come from a culture where a tussle is considered acceptable or not worthy of disgust.
From the legal perspective, of course one is much more severe than the other. I just meant from a civil perspective I think they are both horrendous. It isn't about a culture of killing, it is about a culture of violence in any form. I guess I just don't come from a culture where a tussle is considered acceptable or not worthy of disgust.
It is great that you also think a tussle is unacceptable, but do you think it is as bad as KILLING someone? That is where the disconnect is coming from. Sure violence is bad, nonviolence is good.
But I can't for the life of me figure out why you would minimize a guy being STABBED IN THE THROAT WITH A BROKEN BOTTLE by idealogically equating the loss of his life to the same level as a fist fight. The two are not the same. In one scenerio you have a rotting corpse, a funeral, a crying family, a capital offense. In the other you have a bloody shirt, some hurt feelings, and a few months in the local can.
Last edited by westsideboy; 07-06-2011 at 03:57 PM..
"I've always had the notion that any violence, even a shoving match, is likely to end in murder."
Where did you get that idea from? Maybe growing up in a city with 200-300 murders every year?
It is great that you also think a tussle is unacceptable, but do you think it is as bad as KILLING someone? That is where the disconnect is coming from. Sure violence is bad, nonviolence is good.
But I can't for the life of me figure out why you would minimize a guy being STABBED IN THE THROAT WITH A BROKEN BOTTLE by idealogically equating the loss of his life to the same level as a fist fight. The two are not the same. In one scenerio you have a rotting corpse, a funeral, a crying family, a capital offense. In the other you have a bloody shirt, some hurt feelings, and a few months in the local can.
I'm not used to a city with so many murders because I'm not from this city (or any city, I only recently developed a preference for urban living). That said, I'm not trying to minimize the tragedy of murder. But in this particular case I have little sympathy, and the reason is that the victim chose to restart a violent confrontation that had dissapted once already. Idealogically, personally, they aren't that far removed for me as they seem to be for you. I can't force anybody to agree, I can only send condolences to a family in this time of grief.
I'm not used to a city with so many murders because I'm not from this city (or any city, I only recently developed a preference for urban living). That said, I'm not trying to minimize the tragedy of murder. But in this particular case I have little sympathy, and the reason is that the victim chose to restart a violent confrontation that had dissapted once already. Idealogically, personally, they aren't that far removed for me as they seem to be for you. I can't force anybody to agree, I can only send condolences to a family in this time of grief.
Sorry about the first part of my post, I went back and edited it once I realized I didn't know if you were from B-more or not, plus it was off topic.
As for the rest, non-violence is of course the best route, but I guess we disagree about the culpability of a victim who thought he was having a fight and ended up having his throat slit. I am sure more details will emerge that will help clear up details about the basis for the disagreement and when weapons were produced.
That's right, I remember that episode. Andy takes the day off to go visit relations and Barney is left in charge of the Mayberry Days parade. Some visitor gets into a tussle with Otis and Otis STABS HIM IN THE NECK WITH A BOTTLE. Barney fumbles to get his gun out. Luckily Otis is too drunk to get away, gets caught, spends the night in the drunk tank and learns a "life lesson" from Andy the next day before Aunt Bea invites him over for some pie.
Really, NCOriolesfan, really? He brought a bottle slice to the neck on himself by rekindling a shoving match with some guys? He "should have known" Balitmore isn't Opelika? Read what you are typing. Some guy gets murdered and you think he shares in the blame for a repeat shoving match with someone in Baltimore. What a great attitude.
Screw mayberry.
Look, bro, we get into it and you walk away and then come back at me? I have to think you have a gun. I would break my bottle and cut you anyday. Better you than me. The man who did it needs to come foward. He has a self defence case here. I would have done the same thing.
Look, bro, we get into it and you walk away and then come back at me? I have to think you have a gun. I would break my bottle and cut you anyday. Better you than me. The man who did it needs to come foward. He has a self defence case here. I would have done the same thing.
This belief system is precisely why I shun city living. While Baltimore has grown significantly in the past decade, there are far too many people living in the city who find this senseless violence defendable, perhaps even respected. Perhaps violence is not unique to Baltimore but there are safer places to live.
Look, bro, we get into it and you walk away and then come back at me? I have to think you have a gun. I would break my bottle and cut you anyday. Better you than me. The man who did it needs to come foward. He has a self defence case here. I would have done the same thing.
Ohhhh a "tough guy." You have my computer based avatar shaking in his proverbial boots
Aren't you the same clown that made the proposterous claim that Baltimore had "one of the lowest random murder rates in the country," and now turn around and try to justify a stranger slitting another guy's throat with a broken bottle and threaten violence on another poster?
So, are you like 12, or just post like an ignorant puffed up teen punk? Regardless, your posts reinforce the image of the city as a crime infested hell-hole populated largely by violent half-wits that so many people assume it is. Maybe try to threaten less and use more critical thinking.....
Last edited by westsideboy; 07-07-2011 at 07:50 AM..
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Ohhhh a "tough guy." You have my computer based avatar shaking in his proverbial boots
