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Old 05-11-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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This article explains so much:

Freddie Gray's Neighborhood: Where Did the Funding Go? - WBFF Fox Baltimore - Cover Story
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Old 05-12-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Classic tale of urban tragedy.. The money never trickles down to those who really needed it and the money that does make it down that far is spent on feel good superficial programs that do nothing to address the on going structural challenged of the neighborhood.....You can build all the new community centers you want but if there are very well structured and developed programs within them the success rate of those participants will be challenges. That coupled with what to do with the parents of these kids....helping them get trained and employable is the other challenge...so that they can see a value in education and a different path for their kids has its own set of challenges.

Often times the focus is on housing.. which is important.. but there is decent housing that is empty all around the city.. why not work with these families on the above issues and have them placed in this housing in other communities.. It has to be a two way street though.. if you are placed in it.. you must remain employed..kids in school, be a productive member of your neighborhood not a detriment....etc...and resources will be provided to assist you as long as you actively participate and maintain a certain standard.. you screw up and allow your drug dealing cousin to move in and sell out of your house or related dead beats to come in and take advantage of your improved situation.. then YOU RE OUT...People need to understand the consequences of their actions or inactions.. if they are benefiting from any type of taxpayer funded program....Often times it seems that many of these programs REWARD people for doing the wrong thing.. not having a job.. not being in school.. and trashing your housing.....
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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classic tale of urban tragedy.. The money never trickles down to those who really needed it and the money that does make it down that far is spent on feel good superficial programs that do nothing to address the on going structural challenged of the neighborhood.....you can build all the new community centers you want but if there are very well structured and developed programs within them the success rate of those participants will be challenges. That coupled with what to do with the parents of these kids....helping them get trained and employable is the other challenge...so that they can see a value in education and a different path for their kids has its own set of challenges.

Often times the focus is on housing.. Which is important.. But there is decent housing that is empty all around the city.. Why not work with these families on the above issues and have them placed in this housing in other communities.. It has to be a two way street though.. If you are placed in it.. You must remain employed..kids in school, be a productive member of your neighborhood not a detriment....etc...and resources will be provided to assist you as long as you actively participate and maintain a certain standard.. You screw up and allow your drug dealing cousin to move in and sell out of your house or related dead beats to come in and take advantage of your improved situation.. Then you re out...people need to understand the consequences of their actions or inactions.. If they are benefiting from any type of taxpayer funded program....often times it seems that many of these programs reward people for doing the wrong thing.. Not having a job.. Not being in school.. And trashing your housing.....
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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So let me ask a question. Realistically, why would the Baltimore City government choose not to invest money into their neighborhoods? Is their no money in it? Do they not project growth? Does the city not have any money to do anything with it?
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Old 05-12-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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So let me ask a question. Realistically, why would the Baltimore City government choose not to invest money into their neighborhoods? Is their no money in it? Do they not project growth? Does the city not have any money to do anything with it?

Its like an onion.. there are so many different layers.. Here is my take (it may be repeating things I have written in other treads)

1) Poverty is an industry.. It PAYS to keep people impoverished especially in areas where it is strongly rooted.. Job training programs, prisons, drug rehab, and the list goes on and on in terms of the amountof money that goes into these types of efforts and the number of law enforcement, sociologist, criminologist, and other social scientist , executive directors and the like pulling in high salaries to "fix" the problem...

2)Political Spotlight.. Opening up a Drug Rehab Center doesnt get politicians re elected.. A groundbreaking at a new skyscraper does.. it also gets you political contributions from the developer.. So that is where your local officials priorities are going to be. Also.. It TOUGH to redevelop these areas and some of the policies and programs put in place may take years to materialize. Todays politicos want results NOW.. So its easier to give some tax breaks to a rich developer who doesnt need them and go to a groundbreaking a year later than wait to see if an entire neighborhood revitalizes itself since that has to take place on a number of levels likely beyond the politicos control

3) Corruption and Crime..these go hand in hand.. and I have written about them in other post.. The gist of it being who is benefitting from West Baltimore being a slum or a ghetto? Slumlords, Drug Dealers, Pimps, Liquor Stores, Corner Stores (selling things at criminally high prices because they are the only game in town) etc...Why would they want the area fixed up and ruin their "game" If anything many of these folks are one in the same and landbank dilapidated properties and hold them vacant and up to minimum code just to keep the blighting influences in effect to supplement their operations. "We Buy Homes" for instance.. who operates this enterprise ( or ones like it written in marker whose phone numbers are prepaid and untraceable) and why do they want to buy vacants all over W. Baltimore? The ones that many of these type of organizations have bought are still vacant.. Wonder Why?! Because they are creating economic conditions.. Economic conditions for the vices that I described above....
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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Its like an onion.. there are so many different layers.. Here is my take (it may be repeating things I have written in other treads)

1) Poverty is an industry.. It PAYS to keep people impoverished especially in areas where it is strongly rooted.. Job training programs, prisons, drug rehab, and the list goes on and on in terms of the amountof money that goes into these types of efforts and the number of law enforcement, sociologist, criminologist, and other social scientist , executive directors and the like pulling in high salaries to "fix" the problem...

2)Political Spotlight.. Opening up a Drug Rehab Center doesnt get politicians re elected.. A groundbreaking at a new skyscraper does.. it also gets you political contributions from the developer.. So that is where your local officials priorities are going to be. Also.. It TOUGH to redevelop these areas and some of the policies and programs put in place may take years to materialize. Todays politicos want results NOW.. So its easier to give some tax breaks to a rich developer who doesnt need them and go to a groundbreaking a year later than wait to see if an entire neighborhood revitalizes itself since that has to take place on a number of levels likely beyond the politicos control

3) Corruption and Crime..these go hand in hand.. and I have written about them in other post.. The gist of it being who is benefitting from West Baltimore being a slum or a ghetto? Slumlords, Drug Dealers, Pimps, Liquor Stores, Corner Stores (selling things at criminally high prices because they are the only game in town) etc...Why would they want the area fixed up and ruin their "game" If anything many of these folks are one in the same and landbank dilapidated properties and hold them vacant and up to minimum code just to keep the blighting influences in effect to supplement their operations. "We Buy Homes" for instance.. who operates this enterprise ( or ones like it written in marker whose phone numbers are prepaid and untraceable) and why do they want to buy vacants all over W. Baltimore? The ones that many of these type of organizations have bought are still vacant.. Wonder Why?! Because they are creating economic conditions.. Economic conditions for the vices that I described above....
About #3, crime pays sadly. Why do you all think that cops who live outside of Baltimore City have decided to work here?
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Old 05-12-2015, 08:16 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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A start to Baltimores comeback will be when they can stop instances like this.

Richard Fletcher faces $400k medical bills after near fatal attack in Baltimore | Daily Mail Online
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Old 05-12-2015, 08:48 PM
 
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What do you do with folks like that... This problem may be intractable. I mean just look at his facial expression and eyes on the mugshot...

I know it's not much, but I'll donate a few dollars to the site the article mentions.
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Old 05-12-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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Its like an onion.. there are so many different layers.. Here is my take (it may be repeating things I have written in other treads)

1) Poverty is an industry.. It PAYS to keep people impoverished especially in areas where it is strongly rooted.. Job training programs, prisons, drug rehab, and the list goes on and on in terms of the amountof money that goes into these types of efforts and the number of law enforcement, sociologist, criminologist, and other social scientist , executive directors and the like pulling in high salaries to "fix" the problem...

2)Political Spotlight.. Opening up a Drug Rehab Center doesnt get politicians re elected.. A groundbreaking at a new skyscraper does.. it also gets you political contributions from the developer.. So that is where your local officials priorities are going to be. Also.. It TOUGH to redevelop these areas and some of the policies and programs put in place may take years to materialize. Todays politicos want results NOW.. So its easier to give some tax breaks to a rich developer who doesnt need them and go to a groundbreaking a year later than wait to see if an entire neighborhood revitalizes itself since that has to take place on a number of levels likely beyond the politicos control

3) Corruption and Crime..these go hand in hand.. and I have written about them in other post.. The gist of it being who is benefitting from West Baltimore being a slum or a ghetto? Slumlords, Drug Dealers, Pimps, Liquor Stores, Corner Stores (selling things at criminally high prices because they are the only game in town) etc...Why would they want the area fixed up and ruin their "game" If anything many of these folks are one in the same and landbank dilapidated properties and hold them vacant and up to minimum code just to keep the blighting influences in effect to supplement their operations. "We Buy Homes" for instance.. who operates this enterprise ( or ones like it written in marker whose phone numbers are prepaid and untraceable) and why do they want to buy vacants all over W. Baltimore? The ones that many of these type of organizations have bought are still vacant.. Wonder Why?! Because they are creating economic conditions.. Economic conditions for the vices that I described above....
I share some of your opinions. With this in mind, then the African American community has some credence towards the treatment or lack there of from the city.
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:37 AM
 
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Although no doubt important, I think the problem goes beyond just political corruption and maintaining a 'services' industry related to 'helping' poor people.

Giving a failed neighborhood an injection of cash, just won't work because the effects aren't sustainable without further injections.

If there were a program that would turn every boarded-up row home into good respectable property, the residents won't have the income to maintain the homes and eventually they will go into disrepair.

If the government subsidized the construction of jobs sites that brought good paying jobs right in the center of a failed neighborhood and yet if those jobs required skills and education that many lack, then that wouldn't benefit local residents either.

If city services were increased to keep the area litter free and police patrols kept the area relatively safe, the increased cost wouldn't be met with increased revenue from the existing residents -- if they don't have a good source of income.

Government can certainly provide the kindling and match, but the heavy logs of stable families (including single parent families), sense of community, and self-sustaining private enterprise are the foundations required to keep the fire burning after its been lit.
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