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Old 11-26-2018, 11:52 PM
 
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In rural school systems a student would most likely be expelled for
sucker punching a teacher. But in Baltimore, liberal educators
are making excuses for such bad behavior, asking for more money,
it is very sad.
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:49 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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In rural school systems a student would most likely be expelled for
sucker punching a teacher. But in Baltimore, liberal educators
are making excuses for such bad behavior, asking for more money,
it is very sad.
Look to MSDE as to why expulsion is no longer a consequence for an assault on a staff member. It used to be but was downgraded several years ago due to the disparate impact it had on subgroups of students.

This is mandated policy in every school system in Maryland, from the most rural to the most urban.

The downgrade was part of a general overhaul of the recommended (meaning required) discipline policy all Maryland school systems must follow. The consequences for violations of policies were lessened overall or totally removed in some cases.

Assault on a staff member, for example, was changed from an automatic Request for Expulsion to a maximum 10 day suspension.

Chronic classroom disruption was downgraded from an Administrative handled issue to a classroom management protocol. That meant that the teacher had to document both multiple parent contacts as well as progressive teacher imposed consequences (if I remember the number was 3) prior to a referral to the school Counselor. The Administration would not necessarily become involved until the behavior became Gross Misconduct, which each administrator seemed to have a definition for.
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Old 11-27-2018, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Look to MSDE as to why expulsion is no longer a consequence for an assault on a staff member. It used to be but was downgraded several years ago due to the disparate impact it had on subgroups of students.

Disparate impact. That, right there, is the root of the problem. Somehow, somewhere, the idea has taken hold that different subgroups should think or say or do things in exact representation to their proportion of the overall population. And if, by chance, it doesn't happen this way, "racism" is the go-to excuse for why not.


And thus, we had certain groups (i.e. non-white, non-Asian) whose members cause trouble (i.e. commit offenses that are, or should be, cause for disciplinary action) at rates that are disproportionate to their overall share of the population. A normal, rational society would punish the offenders according to what their offenses merited, with no more regard to whether or not the offenders were proportionate to their share of the population than to whether or not the offenders were taller, shorter, more or less handsome, or wore brighter or darker clothing than the overall population.


But no, somehow or another it's now "racist" that certain groups cause trouble at rates greater than their overall share of the population. The answer, from our supposedly enlightened betters, is to downgrade the punishments for the offenders in the protected classes, and most likely to simultaneously increase the punishments for those in the non-protected classes, in order for it all to even out.


The day that that the whole concept of "disparate impact" is consigned to the dustbin of history will be a red-letter day in the victory of common sense over politically correct stupidity.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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Prolly another idealist who believed he'd make a difference and change the world for the better. So he marched his starry-eyed self off to Towson to get that teacher's degree, went into debt, when he should've followed his pops in the plumbing business.


Disillusionment's a *****, ain't it sonny.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Prolly another idealist who believed he'd make a difference and change the world for the better. So he marched his starry-eyed self off to Towson to get that teacher's degree, went into debt, when he should've followed his pops in the plumbing business.


Disillusionment's a *****, ain't it sonny.
No, it was a long term, meaning 20+ year, female teacher returning from sick leave after cancer treatment.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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whatever the 'system' rules are internally...
can the teacher file a criminal charge on her own?
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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[quote=pappjohn;53737318]In rural school systems a student would most likely be expelled for
sucker punching a teacher. But in Baltimore, liberal educators
are making excuses for such bad behavior, asking for more money,
it is very sad.[/QUO


SOON TO COME : MURDER IS A SIMPLE ASSAULT
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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whatever the 'system' rules are internally...
can the teacher file a criminal charge on her own?
Maybe. The system likely discourages it and can enforce that indirectly through her end of year evaluation.
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:45 PM
 
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I went to school at the tail end of corporeal punishment.
I got my knuckles rapped with those heavy wooden
rulers a few times when I misbehaved. I also had to
write phrases like " I must not talk" hundreds of times
on notebook paper. I remember students getting
erasers thrown at them by the teacher if they whispered
to each other. Don't talk back to the teacher. If you did
you were thrown out of the class and condemned
to a hallway gulag for the rest of the school day (in
elementary and middle school). Sometimes the offenders
would occasionally peep into the classroom and make
faces when the teacher was not looking.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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I went to school at the tail end of corporeal punishment.
I got my knuckles rapped with those heavy wooden
rulers a few times when I misbehaved. I also had to
write phrases like " I must not talk" hundreds of times
on notebook paper. I remember students getting
erasers thrown at them by the teacher if they whispered
to each other. Don't talk back to the teacher. If you did
you were thrown out of the class and condemned
to a hallway gulag for the rest of the school day (in
elementary and middle school). Sometimes the offenders
would occasionally peep into the classroom and make
faces when the teacher was not looking.

That's odd. You don't look Catholic.
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