Should the Mets trade Johan Santana?? (playoffs, MVP, pitcher, star)

[njguy]

As the Phillies pretty much locked themselves up for future foreseeable playoffs in the coming few years and the Mets are a "mess" should they do this to start the cleaning of the house they need and rebuild with youth and lower cost players?


Mind you I'm a Mets fan and a realist too.

[Nbbphh]

No opinion as yet, but just to get the discussion moving:

From Cot's Contracts

Johan Santana lhp
6 years/$137.5M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option

• 6 years/$137.5M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option
  
  • acquired in trade from Minnesota 2/2/08 (Santana waived no-trade clause and agreed to new 6-year deal, replacing final year of previous contract)
  • 08:$19M, 09:$20M, 10:$21M, 11:$22.5M, 12:$24M, 13:$25.5M, 14:$25M club option ($5.5M buyout)
    
  • full no-trade clause
  • $5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M
  • award bonuses: $0.5M-$1.5M for Cy Young (varies based on number won), $0.25M each for MVP or World Series MVP, $0.1M each for All Star selection, LCS MVP, post-season MVP, post-season All Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger
  • 2014 club option becomes player option if Santana:
    • wins Cy Young award from 2008-13 and finishes second or third in the Cy Young vote in one other season
    • ranks second or third in Cy Young vote in any 3 seasons, 2008-13
    • is on the active roster for the final 30 days of 2013 season, and:
      
      • pitches 215 innings in 2013, or
      • pitches 420 innings in 2012-13, or
      • pitches 630 innings in 2011-13
  • the party holding the 2014 option must exercise it by Nov. 15, 2013
  • if 2014 option is Santana's and he declines it, he receives no buyout
  • perks: hotel suite on road trips, 15-person suite for 2008 home games
  • Santana to donate $0.25M annually to Mets charity

Note the full no-trade clause - but given the poor performance of the team in recent years, there may be some flexibility there.

[njguy]

Originally Posted by Nbbphh

No opinion as yet, but just to get the discussion moving:

From Cot's Contracts

Johan Santana lhp
6 years/$137.5M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option

• 6 years/$137.5M (2008-13), plus 2014 club option
  
  • acquired in trade from Minnesota 2/2/08 (Santana waived no-trade clause and agreed to new 6-year deal, replacing final year of previous contract)
  • 08:$19M, 09:$20M, 10:$21M, 11:$22.5M, 12:$24M, 13:$25.5M, 14:$25M club option ($5.5M buyout)
    
  • full no-trade clause
  • $5M deferred annually at 1.25% compound interest (payable June 30 seven years after season in which salary was earned), reducing present-day value of package to $123.1M
  • award bonuses: $0.5M-$1.5M for Cy Young (varies based on number won), $0.25M each for MVP or World Series MVP, $0.1M each for All Star selection, LCS MVP, post-season MVP, post-season All Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger
  • 2014 club option becomes player option if Santana:
    • wins Cy Young award from 2008-13 and finishes second or third in the Cy Young vote in one other season
    • ranks second or third in Cy Young vote in any 3 seasons, 2008-13
    • is on the active roster for the final 30 days of 2013 season, and:
      
      • pitches 215 innings in 2013, or
      • pitches 420 innings in 2012-13, or
      • pitches 630 innings in 2011-13
  • the party holding the 2014 option must exercise it by Nov. 15, 2013
  • if 2014 option is Santana's and he declines it, he receives no buyout
  • perks: hotel suite on road trips, 15-person suite for 2008 home games
  • Santana to donate $0.25M annually to Mets charity

Note the full no-trade clause - but given the poor performance of the team in recent years, there may be some flexibility there.

I bet that the Yankees would love to have him and Santana agreeing to go there if that scenario were to happen.

Let me add: Also I think that Santana if he had the choice between the Mets and Yankees before being traded would've chosen the Yankees.

[PDD]

I would like to see the Mets trade him to Philly, give us Utley or Rollins.
Maybe the Mets could hit a few more home runs batting against Santana especially at the bandbox in Philly.

[Mr.Triny33]

Johan has to prove he's healthy first, two years in a row his season has been cut short. Mets would be trading low at this point

[Mr Yuk]

I'd take Santana in Philly to be the 5th starter, what the hell. We'll give you Joe Blanton.

[njguy]

Originally Posted by go phillies

I'd take Santana in Philly to be the 5th starter, what the hell. We'll give you Joe Blanton.

Tell you what, you can take the whole team - just assume payments.

BTW: You can also keep Joe Blanton.

[PDD]

Originally Posted by go phillies

I'd take Santana in Philly to be the 5th starter, what the hell. We'll give you Joe Blanton.

Are you sure you would take Santana? He is prone to giving up home runs and in that bandbox he could set all time records.

[filihok]

Originally Posted by PDD

Are you sure you would take Santana? He is prone to giving up home runs and in that bandbox he could set all time records.

He doesn't actually give up that many home runs. His HR/9 is usually below the league average

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/755_P_season_mini_4_20101003.png (broken link)

He is a flyball pitcher.

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/755_P_season_mini_9_20101003.png (broken link)

Citizens Bank does inflate home runs by about 19% while Citi depresses home runs by about 7% so, he'd be expected to give up more home runs.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by njguy

As the Phillies pretty much locked themselves up for future foreseeable playoffs in the coming few years and the Mets are a "mess" should they do this to start the cleaning of the house they need and rebuild with youth and lower cost players?


Mind you I'm a Mets fan and a realist too.

Well, the Phillies can use a fifth starter.