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Old 06-13-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Obviously Ozzie says crazy things all the time, but how crazy is this? How many more good seasons would PK have to have before we consider him HOF worthy?
No chance

Konerko is about the 125th best first baseman in terms of career WAR
WAR Grid | FanGraphs Baseball

He's right in between Kevin Youkilis and Kevin Hobliztel.

Is Derek Lee a HoFer?

Derek Lee 1997-2011: .281/.365/.494 in 7682 PA's. 123 wRC+, 38.3 WAR, 316 HR, 1034 RBI
Paul Konerko 1997-2011: .282/.357/.501 in 7806 PA's. 122 wRC+, 26.7 WAR, 381 HR, 1208 RBI

Last edited by filihok; 06-13-2011 at 12:28 PM.. Reason: 2001->2011 :)
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Paul Konerko 1997-2001: .282/.357/.501 in 7806 PA's. 122 wRC+, 26.7 WAR, 381 HR, 1208 RBI
Wow, I would think 381 Hrs in a 4 year period would get you into the HOF
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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Wow, I would think 381 Hrs in a 4 year period would get you into the HOF
Barry B*nds hit 209 home runs between 2001-2004
Mark McGwire hit 209 home runs between 1998-2001
Babe Ruth hit 209 home runs between 1927-1930

All these guys fell short of Konerko
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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381 homeruns in four years is an average of 95 homeruns per season. I must have really not been paying attention when Konerko was shattering the Bonds single season record. How many did he hit in his best year?
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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381 homeruns in four years is an average of 95 homeruns per season. I must have really not been paying attention when Konerko was shattering the Bonds single season record. How many did he hit in his best year?
There were far more important issues in the late 90s. We were all distracted with the Seinfeld finale, primitive cell phones, early internet sites, boy bands and the spice girls.

I, and everyone else had this one circa 99-00



Playing Snake > Watching PK hit 95 homers/year.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Obviously Ozzie says crazy things all the time, but how crazy is this? How many more good seasons would PK have to have before we consider him HOF worthy?
Has Ozzie Guillen Officially Gone Mad? | FanGraphs Baseball
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What we have here appears to be the case of a manager sticking up for one of his players. Konerko has been an above average option at the most demanding offensive position for over a decade, and thatís certainly something that should be recognized. Few players are able to achieve that level of success for so long. Unless he produces like Barry Bonds over the next 3-4 seasons, Konerko has absolutely no shot at the Hall of Fame. His loyalty to the White Sox and demeanor might win him a vote or two (hell, someone thought John Kruk was worthy of the Hall), but thatís about it. While Guillen was likely just trying to be supportive of one of his best players, these comments just reinforce the belief that Guillen will say anything for attention.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I'm sure everybody has heard the 'big news' but I thought this headline was funny:

Fantasy Baseball Blog at Razzball.com | Derek Jeter, Fantasy

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Derek Jeter left yesterday’s game with a Grade 1 strain of his calf as reported by ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN News, ESPN U., ESPN Deportes and on the ticker at the bottom of the screen while they aired Mr. 3000 on ABC
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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PK has an outside chance at 500, doesn't that get you pretty damn far in HOF consideration (assuming he gets there)?

I don't think he is an HOF'er this second either, but I don't think its completely batty to think he could get there. Ultimatelly it doesn't matter that much is he is going to remembered very fondly in the minds of Chicagoans - where he essentially spent his entire career. Thinking about the WS GS still gives me chills.
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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PK has an outside chance at 500, doesn't that get you pretty damn far in HOF consideration (assuming he gets there)?

I don't think he is an HOF'er this second either, but I don't think its completely batty to think he could get there. Ultimatelly it doesn't matter that much is he is going to remembered very fondly in the minds of Chicagoans - where he essentially spent his entire career. Thinking about the WS GS still gives me chills.
Konerko has averaged 29.3 HR/600 plate appearances over his career. But last year he hit 37 HR/600 PA's and his hitting 34 HR/600 PA's this year.

If we say that Konerko is going to hit 35 HR/600 PA's hell need [(500-381)*35] 4165 more plate appearances to get to 500 HR's for his career. Note: that's an optimistic projection.

Konerko's recent PA's per season:
631
621
514
636
643
664
643
Let's say that Konerko averages about 630 PA's per season.


Konerko has 282 PA's thus far on the season. He's 'due' for 348 more PA's this season and 20 home runs. That'd give him 401 going into next season.

For 99 more home runs Konerko would need 1692 PA's.

At 630 PA's per season, Konerko would need to play 2.7 more seasons. That'd take Konerko to his age 38 season.

So, yeah, he's certainly got a chance at 500 HR's.

He's still nowhere near the level of a HoFer though.
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Well, if he does have 3/4 productive enough seasons to end up with 500 HRs, he should be around 2500 hits also. How many guys have 500/2500 and are not in the HOF? I get thats not the only criteria, but does that list even exist outside of Roiders/people who are not yet eligible?

I can't imagine the list would be that long.

Edit- I see Gary Sheffield essentially finished his career with those numbers (just north of 500 and over 2500, but shy of 3000). I guess he would be a good test case in this discussion.

I also may have misunderstood you...At the end of the post you put "he is nowhere near it," Im guessing you are saying that as is, not if he gets to these milestones.
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