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You can throw all the war info you want but look at right now which was the question. Look at ERA and the record...enough said!
It is enough if the extent of your intellectual curiosity is such that it is satisfied by inferior information.
The idea of stats such as WAR is to come up with a way to evaluate players which eliminates the flaws which accompany the more familiar stats.
The idea is that W/L records or ERA isn't enough.
If there was a national organization of those who lack intellectual depth, I'm confident that their motto would be ""nuff said." All their public addresses would begin with "All I know is...."
500 innings worth of data (almost) always (there are cases where a guy is different than he was before. See Bautista, Jose) gives a better picture than 50 innings.
I mean Tom Gorzelanny did this yesterday:
8 innings, 0 runs, 3 hits, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts.
While Jarred Weaver did this:
6 innings, 3 runs, 6 hits, 1 walk, 6 strikeouts.
Do we conclude that Gorzelanny is better than Weaver?
Do we think that Zach Britton will outpitch Tim Lincecum this year?
So you're going to compare a new guy to a guy who has been around a few years? Come on,really? Verlander is a very good pitcher but Sabathia has been better since he came in.
So you're going to compare a new guy to a guy who has been around a few years? Come on,really? Verlander is a very good pitcher but Sabathia has been better since he came in.
The OP asked for the best pitcher right now.
Not the best pitcher over the last 10 years
Right now, Verlander is better than Sabathia
And yes, a new guy can can certainly be better than a guy who's been around for a few years
If you look at things like ERA and W-L record you won't be as likely to know if a guy is a one year fluke as you will if you look at things like K/9, BB/9, FIP, BABIP and Left On Base %.
I refer you again to Zack Britton. He's 5 - 1 with a 2.63 ERA.
However all of his other stats indicate he's a guy who should have an ERA around 4.
His BABIP is .241. He won't sustain that.
His LOB% is 83%. He won't sustain that.
He's going to start giving up more hits. Those hits will put more runners on base and come when runners are already on base allowing more runs to score.
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right now Verlander is not as good as Sabathia.
No he's not. There's not a huge difference between them, but Verlander has been obviously better over the last 2 seasons.
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