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View Poll Results: Is Ryan Braun Vindicated?
Yes he is innocent 6 20.69%
No I still think he juiced! 24 82.76%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-27-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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It's a matter of public record that bonds used steroids ...... this is not in dispute .... he is 100% a steroid user by his own admission

As for Braun - I don't lend him any extra credibility because the MLB process wasn't strong - he still has offered no evidence of tampering, there has been no cry for an investigation into tampering, the collection sample person is by all accounts a credible person used by multiple athletic associations, the lab is not in question and apparently the samples were delivered with their integrity intact

As far as I'm concerned his levels were high as that is what the test showed and no one is disputing what the test results were - just some far fetched plots about what would/could happen to the samples

If he is using I highly doubt he'll be sloppy enough to get caught a second time - remember, everyone passes all their drug tests ........ until they don't
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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I am disappointed that Braun tests were positive however he denies and the debate goes on. One would think with current tech the same could be taken transported and tested within one hour and then sent on for further tests never leaving the custody of the collector. I hope that Braun is telling the truth for his own and baseball fan's sake.

Why does Floyd Landis come to mind?
everybody denies, MacGuire, Sosa, Clements, ARod, Palmero committed purgery in front of Congress, Landis spent 2million dollars defending himself only to admit several years later he did juice. BTW, his testosterone to espitestosterone ratio was 11:1, Brauns 20:1

the lab was Montreal Olympic lab, one of the foremost labs in the entire world.

Braun only gave us this conspiracy theory of tampering afterwards but put no proof. the second test in Montreal proved it to be Synthetic Testosterone , ie. not of human origin.

you must believe in conspiracy theories to believe Braun.

even if the sample would've been turned in quicker it wouldn't have been climate controlled at Kinkos and on the truck/van to the airport and in the cargo hold of the plane. The guy who took the sample has done this over 600 times for MLB.
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:17 PM
 
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I know. I'm troubled by Brauns denial and the test. Drugs don't create that kind of talent. For years Bonds was tested randomly and often and his performance while not the stellar years he had was the best on the team, with bat speed to match. When he hit the 700's he was tested repeatedly. He was ferocious at the plate. I assume Braun or any of the other guys would do the same.

The testing custody and specifics I can't comment on but at least 2 voters were convinced and the ruling was in his favor. What am I not seeing in that test or the chain of custody. These arbiters are not stupid people.
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:31 PM
 
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Braun also passed a lie detector test and wanted to do a DNA test to prove the sample was not his and MLB said no!

BTW I heard this Dino guy the collector is a cubs fan, Ahhhh the conspiracy theories will live forever.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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Braun also passed a lie detector test and wanted to do a DNA test to prove the sample was not his and MLB said no!

BTW I heard this Dino guy the collector is a cubs fan, Ahhhh the conspiracy theories will live forever.
If true that would be conclusive to me that MLB was not fair.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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I know. I'm troubled by Brauns denial and the test. Drugs don't create that kind of talent. For years Bonds was tested randomly and often and his performance while not the stellar years he had was the best on the team, with bat speed to match. When he hit the 700's he was tested repeatedly. He was ferocious at the plate. I assume Braun or any of the other guys would do the same.

The testing custody and specifics I can't comment on but at least 2 voters were convinced and the ruling was in his favor. What am I not seeing in that test or the chain of custody. These arbiters are not stupid people.
well, one was an MLB players rep (will always side with the player) and one was an MLB admin person (will always side with MLB) and only the third was supposedly independent but had ties to baseball.

so it's really down to just one person out of three.



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Braun also passed a lie detector test and wanted to do a DNA test to prove the sample was not his and MLB said no!

BTW I heard this Dino guy the collector is a cubs fan, Ahhhh the conspiracy theories will live forever.
this guy's done over 600 samples for over 6 years. He's not going to risk his job on something you allude to. Umpires grown up fans of certain teams but have to rule impartially.

Nowadays there always must be a conspiracy theory. But most often they are for weak-minded people.

the irony is if Braun played for the Cards or Cubs all you Milwaukeeans would be screaming GUILTY!!!!
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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here's only part of the collectors statement, people need to read this, remember, he collected two other players samples that day, they were all stored the same way. If that was faulty, why didn't those other collections test high for testosterone or show synthetic testosterone if the storage conditions were not good enough. Yet only Braun's sample was juiced.


On October 1, 2011, I collected samples from Mr. Braun and two other players. The CDT collection team for that day, in addition to me, included three chaperones and a CDT coordinator. One of the chaperones was my son, Anthony. Chaperones do not have any role in the actual collection process, but rather escort the player to the collection area.

I followed the same procedure in collecting Mr. Braunís sample as I did in the hundreds of other samples I collected under the Program. I sealed the bottles containing Mr. Braunís A and B samples with specially-numbered, tamper-resistant seals, and Mr. Braun signed a form certifying, among other things, that the specimens were capped and sealed in his presence and that the specimen identification numbers on the top of the form matched those on the seals. I placed the two bottles containing Mr. Braunís samples in a plastic bag and sealed the bag. I then placed the sealed bag in a standard cardboard Specimen Box which I also sealed with a tamper-resistant, correspondingly-numbered seal placed over the box opening. I then placed Mr. Braunís Specimen Box, and the Specimen Boxes containing the samples of the two other players, in a Federal Express Clinic Pack. None of the sealed Specimen Boxes identified the players. I completed my collections at Miller Park at approximately 5:00 p.m.


Given the lateness of the hour that I completed my collections, there was no FedEx office located within 50 miles of Miller Park that would ship packages that day or Sunday. Therefore, the earliest that the specimens could be shipped was Monday, October 3. In that circumstance, CDT has instructed collectors since I began in 2005 that they should safeguard the samples in their homes until FedEx is able to immediately ship the sample to the laboratory, rather than having the samples sit for one day or more at a local FedEx office. The protocol has been in place since 2005 when I started with CDT and there have been other occasions when I have had to store samples in my home for at least one day, all without incident.


The FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braunís samples never left my custody. Consistent with CDTís instructions, I brought the FedEx Clinic Pack containing the samples to my home. Immediately upon arriving home, I placed the FedEx Clinic Pack in a Rubbermaid container in my office which is located in my basement. My basement office is sufficiently cool to store urine samples. No one other than my wife was in my home during the period in which the samples were stored. The sealed Specimen Boxes were not removed from the FedEx Clinic Pack during the entire period in which they were in my home. On Monday, October 3, I delivered the FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braunís Specimen Box to a FedEx office for delivery to the laboratory on Tuesday, October 4. At no point did I tamper in any way with the samples. It is my understanding that the samples were received at the laboratory with all tamper-resistant seals intact.


Full link and statement here:

Statement by Dino Laurenzi Jr., who collected Ryan Braun’s drug test sample - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/statement-by-dino-laurenzi-jr-who-collected-ryan-brauns-drug-test-sample/2012/02/28/gIQAXOipgR_story.html?tid=pm_sports_pop - broken link)
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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I know. I'm troubled by Brauns denial and the test. Drugs don't create that kind of talent. .
Probably because he is white.

and....because you ignore all the guys caught juicing after theier numbers exploded.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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If true that would be conclusive to me that MLB was not fair.
Says someone that is a relative or close friend of Bonds per previous threads.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:35 PM
 
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I think it's clear that anyone could have gotten into a rubbermaid. Doubt created.
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