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View Poll Results: Is Ryan Braun Vindicated?
Yes he is innocent 6 20.69%
No I still think he juiced! 24 82.76%
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Ryan Braun wins his appeal of positive drug test - JSOnline

Well does this change your opinion of him?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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Brewers Blog - JSOnline

I know people are wondering why Major League Baseball issued a statement saying it "vehemently disagreed" with the finding in Ryan Braun's appeal of his positive drug test. Braun won that appeal, the first major league to do so. The Journal Sentinel has confirmed that MLB officials are upset because arbitrator Shyam Das did not rule in Braun's favor because he decided the positive test was wrong. He ruled in Braun's favor in essence because of a chain of custody dispute.
Apparently, and I see ESPN is reporting this, too, the official who collected the sample did not get it to FedEx in time to ship it in the prescribed manor to the MLB testing lab in Montreal. Instead, he took it home, put it in a refrigerator and sent it out the next day.
Apparently, Das ruled that the specimen should have been left at FedEx anyway. So, it all comes down to chain of custody and the proper delivery of the urine sample.
So, in essence, it was a technicality that helped Braun get exonerated. But the result is still the one he and the Brewers wanted.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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bud selig pulled some strings for his hometown and former owned club.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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bud selig pulled some strings for his hometown and former owned club.
I actually agree with you and the MLB statement goes far and above on throwing braun under the bus in order to cover seligs tracks. I still think he is clean but I wouldn't doubt it that Braun being of Jewish decent and Selig being Jewish and the whole Brewers-Milwaukee connection. I think Selig had a hand in it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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just remember, Braun didn't contest that he tested positive for 7xs the testosterone (some synthetic) amount, just that the sample was mishandled.

he still juiced, he never contested it. he got off on a technicality, like committing manslaughter and not serving a day in jail b/c the paperwork wasn't filed properly.

b/c the sample was stored in a refrigerator for 24 hrs. and not sent right away (because Kinkos/Fed Ex was closed, literally) he got off. B/c you know, storing urine in a fridge for 24 hrs. will make it test positive for SEVEN times the testosterone and some of it synthetic too!
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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just remember, Braun didn't contest that he tested positive for 7xs the testosterone (some synthetic) amount, just that the sample was mishandled.
No, he did contest the testosterone, but his lawyers saw the only way winning way through "a technicality" beside having a unprotected, unsecured drug sample. Besides his sample was left in a guys fridge and then shipped if off to fedex. Braun tested clean 3 times last season and 23 times during his whole career. How do we know what was done to that sample? how do we know it wasn't tampered with? because it was in a fridge in someones house?

I don't consider it a technicality if we don't know who had it and where the sample was laying around or whos car it was in and it sat in some dudes refrigerator. This is not a case of someone not signing the paperwork right.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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No, he did contest the testosterone, but his lawyers saw the only way winning way through "a technicality" beside having a unprotected, unsecured drug sample. Besides his sample was left in a guys fridge and then shipped if off to fedex. Braun tested clean 3 times last season and 23 times during his whole career. How do we know what was done to that sample? how do we know it wasn't tampered with? because it was in a fridge in someones house?

I don't consider it a technicality if we don't know who had it and where the sample was laying around or whos car it was in and it sat in some dudes refrigerator. This is not a case of someone not signing the paperwork right.
so what's to stop someone from ''spiking'' a sample on their way to Kinko's to ship it?

if just one person is ever alone with the sample for even 2 minuets it could be tampered with.

if the seal on the sample wan't broken then how did he tamper with it?

does storing it in a fridge (preserving) make it more likely to have seven times the testosterone in it than putting it in an envelope, having it sit for how long in a collection bin at room temperature at Kinkos, then get shipped on a van/truck (not climate controlled) and then perhaps air mailed (not climate controlled) to a lab? what about prevailing weather conditions.

what about summer vs. winter testing.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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so what's to stop someone from ''spiking'' a sample on their way to Kinko's to ship it?

if just one person is ever alone with the sample for even 2 minuets it could be tampered with.

if the seal on the sample wan't broken then how did he tamper with it?

does storing it in a fridge (preserving) make it more likely to have seven times the testosterone in it than putting it in an envelope, having it sit for how long in a collection bin at room temperature at Kinkos, then get shipped on a van/truck (not climate controlled) and then perhaps air mailed (not climate controlled) to a lab? what about prevailing weather conditions.

what about summer vs. winter testing.
All good questions. Who knows what this worker did for all we know this guy had his buddies come over and show off Ryan brauns pee in his fridge. Yes the worker or someone else could have spiked it and resealed it or Ryan Braun did we will never know the truth only Ryan will know.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:32 PM
 
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Whatever your opinion was before he won his appeal, it should be the same now. Like Badger said, he go off on a technicality, so all it means is he beat the system.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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All good questions. Who knows what this worker did for all we know this guy had his buddies come over and show off Ryan brauns pee in his fridge. Yes the worker or someone else could have spiked it and resealed it or Ryan Braun did we will never know the truth only Ryan will know.
That is one of the more annoying aspects of the steroid age, not knowing. That is why it is a problem which will be around for quite a while now as the Roid Stars retire and become elligible for the HoF. If Arod plays another five seasons, it won't be until 2022 when they vote on him for the first time.

What will really make it all much worse is if they enshrine someone who was never named as a user, and a year or two later it comes out that he too had been a juicer. Everyone is a suspect....well, everyone except the ones we already know for sure.
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