U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-29-2012, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
13,293 posts, read 12,809,480 times
Reputation: 6637

Advertisements

Mike Morse mimed a homerun
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-29-2012, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,147 posts, read 18,609,914 times
Reputation: 18746
Has an explanation emerged as to why the umpires insisted on staging the reenactment?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-29-2012, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
12,201 posts, read 10,436,423 times
Reputation: 11220
Rain has forced the Angels and Rangers to play a very crucial doubleheader tomorrow. Texas winning both pretty much kills LAAAAAAAA's postseason hopes, while LAAAAAAAAAA winning both would seriously jeopardize Texas clinching the division.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,147 posts, read 18,609,914 times
Reputation: 18746
The A's were tied 2-2 with Seattle and the Mariners got runners at first and third with no one out to start the top of the seventh but then Ryan Cook struck out the side. A's got a couple of home runs in the 8th and won 5-2.

Now...this leaves A's fans in a rooting muddle for the Angels - Rangers game just getting underway as I type. The Angels won the first game of the double header, bringing Oakland to within a game and a half of Texas. If the Angels beat them again the A's will be but a game behind with three to play...against the Rangers at Oakland. The A's could win the AL West outright and not have to worry about the wild card playoff.

If the Rangers win, the A's will be two games back and it will still be possible to win the division with a sweep of Texas, but an Angels loss will shove them 3 games behind the A's in the wild card race with three to play, thus clinching at least a tie for the wild card.

Which would be better?

A's fans also find themselves in a position of being ad hoc Yankee fans for the next few days. One of those two teams will be the wild card (they are currently tied for first place). If the A's play NY in the wc playoff game, the Yankees would host. If it is Baltimore, it would be played in Oakland. So, go Yanks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
42,663 posts, read 74,346,398 times
Reputation: 36094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandstander View Post
Has an explanation emerged as to why the umpires insisted on staging the reenactment?
With a runner thrown out on the bases, the only way the runs could be legal would be if the ball were put back in play and they all physically stepped on the plate in the correct order. The Cardinals broadcasters said today Yadier Molina suggested the terpsichorean theatrics to Morse as a way of assuring that they all scored legally.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,147 posts, read 18,609,914 times
Reputation: 18746
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
With a runner thrown out on the bases, the only way the runs could be legal would be if the ball were put back in play and they all physically stepped on the plate in the correct order. The Cardinals broadcasters said today Yadier Molina suggested the terpsichorean theatrics to Morse as a way of assuring that they all scored legally.
There were no runners thrown out on the bases. As soon as the ball cleared the wall it was a dead ball, you could not put anyone out with it, none of the actions taken with that ball counted for anything.

There was no need to adjust all four runners, only the ones on first and second. The runner from third scored regardless of the ruling on the batted ball, so no need to put him back out there, was there? And Morse certainly reached first safely regardless of the decision on his hit, so what was the need to send him all the way back to the plate?

Was the fake swing an official part of the charade or was that Morse's method acting?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
42,663 posts, read 74,346,398 times
Reputation: 36094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandstander View Post
There were no runners thrown out on the bases. As soon as the ball cleared the wall it was a dead ball, you could not put anyone out with it, none of the actions taken with that ball counted for anything.

There was no need to adjust all four runners, only the ones on first and second. The runner from third scored regardless of the ruling on the batted ball, so no need to put him back out there, was there? And Morse certainly reached first safely regardless of the decision on his hit, so what was the need to send him all the way back to the plate?

Was the fake swing an official part of the charade or was that Morse's method acting?
The ball was thought to be in play, and there were plays being made on runners, who thought the ball was in play. The ball was not a dead ball until one of two things occurred. A) it was determined that the ball cleared the wall, or B) time was called when in the opinion of the umpires there was no further play.

When a batter hits an ordinary, uncontested, nonconfusing home run, it is also a dead ball, but it is still incumbent on the runners to score in the correct order without passing each other, or missing or retouching any bases, and can still be called out for infractions. As a reasonable safeguard, the offensive team reset the runners in the correct base-running order, and passed over the plate in the correct order, once it was ruled that the home run had been awarded, thus validating the runs and assuring there would be no appeal. It is not an unreasonable precaution. The "fake swing" was done without a bat, and falls within the accepted moves by a batter-runner, since the baserunners are not regulated by rules analogous to the balk rules governing pitchers.

Are you absolutely sure that it would not have been necessary, according to rulebook arcana, to reset the runners? Certain enough that you would have not bothered with it?

Last edited by jtur88; 09-30-2012 at 09:47 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
12,201 posts, read 10,436,423 times
Reputation: 11220
I was rooting for the Angels in both games of the double-header. Now the A's need to sweep the Rangers to win the division...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-30-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,147 posts, read 18,609,914 times
Reputation: 18746
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post

Are you absolutely sure that it would not have been necessary, according to rulebook arcana, to reset the runners? Certain enough that you would have not bothered with it?
I'm going to guess that there is nothing in the rule book about a batter needing to complete a fake swing in order for a home run to count.

I also think that had it been done the way I suggested, simply sending Morse to first and the two runners ahead of him to their respective bases, and letting them all trot home, would not have resulted in any sort of protest.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2012, 07:22 AM
 
882 posts, read 1,782,637 times
Reputation: 592
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
Are you absolutely sure that it would not have been necessary, according to rulebook arcana, to reset the runners? Certain enough that you would have not bothered with it?
An excellent way to phrase the issue. In this case, however, the runners have to return to their original base at the time of the play (7.02), thus Morse would be forced to return home, not first.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top