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Old 04-27-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Why should they have to?

They are at a ballgame - not a concert, memorial or some other service.

The song has no weight aside from being "patriotic" and has no reason to be sung at that time.

Maybe others should have respect for the large number of people who would rather grab one last beer, hit the bathroom, stretch their legs, chat with friends or simply enjoy the ballpark and ballgame instead of having some ritual that is out of place.

Respect works both ways
you seem to have a totally different idea on patiotism than I have. I was raised in a different era than you obviously. I think my kids were as well. We happen to feel when any partiotic music is played a few minutes of silence is respectful, you don't see it that way. There is no right or wrong answer for this. I see nothing wrong with playing "america the Beautiful" or "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch and I don't think asking people to be quiet for a couple of minutes is going to hurt anyone, my kids and even my grandkids feel the same when they hear this type of music, they sing along or remain quiet, but if you choose not to that is your choice.

Nita
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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you seem to have a totally different idea on patiotism than I have. I was raised in a different era than you obviously. I think my kids were as well. We happen to feel when any partiotic music is played a few minutes of silence is respectful, you don't see it that way.
Nita
I wonder how much effort you are making to understand the other position, you are misstating it with the above. The complaint isn't a distaste for showing respect at a patriotic ceremony, the complaint is why do baseball games require any, much less two such displays?
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I wonder how much effort you are making to understand the other position, you are misstating it with the above. The complaint isn't a distaste for showing respect at a patriotic ceremony, the complaint is why do baseball games require any, much less two such displays?
And the answer to that can be found, as usual, by following the money. After 9/11, MLB was quick to recognize that more tickets can be sold if they present a double header -- Baseball and a Patrotism Extravaganza, for the price of one. GBA was inserted into the entertainment card as a publicity stunt, but nobody would ever dare (in the land of the free) to call it what it is.
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I wonder how much effort you are making to understand the other position, you are misstating it with the above. The complaint isn't a distaste for showing respect at a patriotic ceremony, the complaint is why do baseball games require any, much less two such displays?
Most of us have been reading this post now for days and we will never agree, the posts I am referring to, in my view are not respecting the music. That is my opinion and I can't get over why some really care about ia 2 or 3 minute break to remind us of our country. If others disagree, that is their right, we live in a country that allows us to speak our minds. I am just amazed though, at the number of people that think everything revolves around them or maybe it is the generation of entitlement that just can't relax and let things go. Regardless, we will never see this the same so I have no more comment. I will just enjoy some of the more pleasant discussions.
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Most of us have been reading this post now for days and we will never agree, the posts I am referring to, in my view are not respecting the music. That is my opinion and I can't get over why some really care about ia 2 or 3 minute break to remind us of our country. If others disagree, that is their right, we live in a country that allows us to speak our minds. I am just amazed though, at the number of people that think everything revolves around them or maybe it is the generation of entitlement that just can't relax and let things go. Regardless, we will never see this the same so I have no more comment. I will just enjoy some of the more pleasant discussions.
You didn't answer the question posed to you. Why do ballgames, as opposed to operas, movies, the ballet, rock concerts or other forms of public entertainment, require a mass display of patriotism?

Certainly there are more appropriate venues...I don't notice our court sessions being opened with the Anthem, every weekeday thousands of US Post Offices around the nation open their doors for business without the need for any sort of patriotic ceremony.

So what is it about a sporting event that causes the crowd to be so suspect in their loyalties that some sort of nationalistic affirmation is needed to make sure that the game is not being watched by traitors and fifth columnists?

And...even if you can explain why a sporting event requires this, you then need to explain why after having met this requirement with the Anthem at the start of the game, we need to do it all over again in the 7th inning with a rousing God Bless America singalong? Is there a general fear that between the first and seventh innings our patriotic resolve has become diluted and needs a recharge?
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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You didn't answer the question posed to you. Why do ballgames, as opposed to operas, movies, the ballet, rock concerts or other forms of public entertainment, require a mass display of patriotism?

Certainly there are more appropriate venues...I don't notice our court sessions being opened with the Anthem, every weekeday thousands of US Post Offices around the nation open their doors for business without the need for any sort of patriotic ceremony.

So what is it about a sporting event that causes the crowd to be so suspect in their loyalties that some sort of nationalistic affirmation is needed to make sure that the game is not being watched by traitors and fifth columnists?

And...even if you can explain why a sporting event requires this, you then need to explain why after having met this requirement with the Anthem at the start of the game, we need to do it all over again in the 7th inning with a rousing God Bless America singalong? Is there a general fear that between the first and seventh innings our patriotic resolve has become diluted and needs a recharge?
Exactly.

nmnita - what about respecting those who just want to watch a ballgame?
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I can't get over why some really care about ia 2 or 3 minute break to remind us of our country.
What if I hadn't gone to the game, and spent the time walking in the woods. without anyone reminding me of my country. What then? Just how long can you go, safely and securely, without being reminded of your country? Can you make it through 2 hours, without being reminded of your country? What does it say about the patriotism and loyalty of people who need these constant reminders, to keep them from lapsing into . . . what??

Let's take this to an extreme. Strategically placed loudspeakers, playing GSA every couple of hours, so everyone , no matter where they are or what they are doing, are reminded of their country. Can you think of any countries where anything like this happens? Do you wish you lived in one of them?
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Let's take this to an extreme. Strategically placed loudspeakers, playing GSA every couple of hours, so everyone , no matter where they are or what they are doing, are reminded of their country.
I wonder why I have the feeling that you read 1984?
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Hometown of Jason Witten
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And the answer to that can be found, as usual, by following the money. After 9/11, MLB was quick to recognize that more tickets can be sold if they present a double header -- Baseball and a Patrotism Extravaganza, for the price of one. GBA was inserted into the entertainment card as a publicity stunt, but nobody would ever dare (in the land of the free) to call it what it is.
Jtur88, has anyone ever suggested that you may be paranoid? Do you have a rearview mirror on your treadmill?

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Old 05-01-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Jtur88, has anyone ever suggested that you may be paranoid? Do you have a rearview mirror on your treadmill?
How foolish of me to think that any American corporation would ever think of the monetary value of any decision. Corporate shareholders are not interested at all in the potential for remuneration from their investment, all they want to do is see that every American, no matter how rich or poor, gets an equal share of baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet. Motivated by altruism and patriotic zeal, they're willing to lay out millions of their own dollars in order to realize that virtuous achievement.
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