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Old 07-25-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Looks a lot like Dempster will be starting for the Dodgers on Sunday (in a game I'll be at because I wanted to watch Nate Eovaldi pitch).
Good thing that I got to that game.

Filihok: Trade Review: Hanley for Eovaldi

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BREAKING: Sources tell me and@jonmorosi: #Hanley to #Dodgers, Eovaldi and prospect to #Marlins.
The Dodgers also receive reliever Randy Choate and give up minor-league reliever Scott Mcgough.

First, the easy part of the deal to comment on, Choate for Mcgough. Choate is a LOOGY and an effective one. For his career he's struck out 28% of left-handed batters while walking 7% and allowing batted balls that suggest he should give up about 2.5 runs per 9 innings. At the same time he's struck out just 11% of right-handed batters while walking 15% and should be giving up 5.5 runs per 9. LA should rarely allow him to face a right-handed batter. Choate will join Scott Elbert as a lefties in the Dodger pen. Elbert's splits aren't nearly as dramatic (22%, 10% and 3.75 vs lefties and 26%, 11% and 4.0 vs righties). Mcgough came in 34th on this list of LA's top 200 prospects. He has decent minor league numbers and the scouting reports are pretty good, but, as a minor league relief pitcher he just doesn't have much value. There is every possibility that Choate will provide for value from here on out than Mcgough will.


Now...Hanley. Hanley used to be a top offensive performer. Between 2006 and 2010 he was consistently hitting more than 30% better than a league average hitter. That is excellent for a SS. His defense left a lot to be desired, but he was a very valuable player contributing at least 4.5 wins above replacement in each season. Then came the last 2 seasons. His hitting has been roughly league average. He's seen an uptick in strikeout rate and a downturn in power but the biggest problem has been a sever drop in BABIP. In his prime seasons about 33% of his batted balls became hits. The last two seasons that number is closer to 27%. He's hitting the same number of line drives, ground balls and fly balls so I'm not sure why the change. The internets also haven't come to a consensus on what happened to Hanley.

Regardless, he's still a marked improvement on what LA's been running out at the hot-corner this year. Dodger 3Bmen are hitting just .306/.369 (OBP/SLG) while Hanely has managed .322/.428. Hanley may also see time at SS where Dee Gordon and company have "hit" .285/.320. Hanley is an offensive upgrade. His defense has never been great, or good, or average, but it't hasn't been terrible either. Hanley will be an upgrade over either Uribe or Gordon depending on where he plays.

Hanley is signed for about $15 million a season through 2014. He's on pace for about 3 WAR this season. 1 WAR is generally considered to be worth about $5 million on the open market. 3 * $5 million = $15 million. Hanley should be worth something like what he's getting paid.

Now, Eovaldi. Eovaldi's stock has risen rather rapidly recently (alliteration for the win!). He was most recently number 6 on the aforementioned top 200 list. Just 22, he's thrown about 100 innings in the bigs and hasn't embarrassed himself; striking out about 15% of batters while walking 10% and pitching in a way that would be expected to give up about 4.5 runs per 9. That's a decent #4 starter. Plus he has room and time to improve. He's not a star, but he's a quality major league pitcher.

My official take on this trade. I like it. LA has nothing in the pipeline in the infield so having Hanley at 3B for the next 2+ seasons works. Gordon isn't a sure thing at SS so Hanley could end up there as well. The Dodger offense, outside of Kemp, Ethier and the first half of AJ Ellis' season, is pretty poor so even an average bat is a significant upgrade.

Eovaldi is a useful pitcher, but not a star. LA a solid rotation in Kershaw, Billingsley, Capuano and Harang. Ted Lily is on the DL but all signs point to Ryan Dempster donning blue for his next start and all of LA's top prospects are pitchers. And Rubby de la Rosa should be in the mix in about a month or so.

For once Ned didn't get taken to the cleaners in a trade. Now, we'll see what he gives up to get Dempster.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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Hanley traded to the Dodgers. Arod out for a while with a fractured hand.Great deal for the Dodgers. Marlins are cleaning house. Wouldn't be shocked to see Josh Johnson and Heath Bell moved.
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Good thing that I got to that game.

Filihok: Trade Review: Hanley for Eovaldi
Hanley 2 for 4 with a triple in his Dodger debut and scored and drove in the 2 Dodger runs
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | LAD@STL: Hanley tallies two hits and an RBI in debut - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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Old 07-26-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Hanley 2 for 4 with a triple in his Dodger debut and scored and drove in the 2 Dodger runs
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | LAD@STL: Hanley tallies two hits and an RBI in debut - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
But the Dodgers lost, so it must have been a bad trade.
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Default Greinke will be traded says GM Melvin

Looks like Greinke will be traded before his next start according to several sources and the GM Doug Melvin. Hope it's to the Rangers!
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Looks like Greinke will be traded before his next start according to several sources and the GM Doug Melvin. Hope it's to the Rangers!
I keep hearing the Whitesox are going to get him. If they somehow manage to get him with their awful rated farm system, and especially if they do it over the Rangers (who I think have a loaded farm team)...Kenny deserves a lot of credit this year.
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Asheville
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for purely selfish reasons, I own him in a fantasy baseball keeper, I hope he gets traded to and resigns with the Braves.

keep him out of the AL
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Greinke to the Angels for SS Jean Segura and pitchers Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena.

The Angels give up a good chunk of their farm system to land Zack. Segura was one of their top prospects and Hellweg was also in their top 10.

Baseball America had Segura as the 43rd rated prospect in their mid-season rankings.

I think this is a pretty solid return for the Brewers. Segura isn't a great defensive player and may have to move off of short but he should be able to hold down shortstop for a few seasons - a position that the Brewers desperately need. His bat isn't outstanding, he doesn't draw walks, but he has some power, makes good contact and has excellent speed. For a SS, that's good enough.

Hellweg is a reliever transitioning into a starter. He's big and throws hard, but, like many a hard-throwing prospect, he has trouble finding the plate. In 44 relief innings in 2010 Hellweg walked 45 (22% of batters faced) and K'd 66 (33%). This season, as a reliever he's gotten the control a bit more in check walking just 11%, but, unsurprisingly, his K rate has also fallen to 17%.

Pena's currently pitching in AA and looks like a back of the rotation or mid inning reliever.

Win-win trade.

Angels get the best available pitcher on the trade market without giving up Garrett Richards and the Brewers get back a high-ceiling starter and a player who fills their biggest position of need.

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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If the Phillies don't trade Lee and or Pence and bring back Victorino by the start of next season, they will be one of the worst teams in baseball next year. They already have 6 players (Hamels, Halladay, Lee, Papelbon, Rollins and Howard) making over $135 million which Amaro is unwillinging to trade away and if you want to stay under the luxury tax, it's extremely difficult to put together a competitive/good team when you need to get another 19 players for $65 million.
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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COL sent Marco Scutaro to SF.
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