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Old 10-09-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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Does a high payroll buy championships? See for yourself. In the last 10 years the Yankees have made it to the World Series twice. But so have 5 other clubs. And the Cardinals have been there 3 times. The Yankees have won one championship in that span while the Red Sox and Cardinals have won two each. If you think the Yankees are dominant now, you should've been here 50 years ago when they actually were.
The selection of the last 10 years is arbitrary. If you go back a little further to where the Yankees started exploding their payroll......

Since 1995 they've missed the playoffs ONE TIME and they've gone to the world series 7 times, winning 5 of them.

Additionally, the Red Sox and Cards have also been big payroll teams.

Claiming a high payroll doesn't buy championships and then pointing to the Red Sox and Cards as proof?

The Yankees are not a well run team, they just throw a lot of money around.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The Yankees are not a well run team,
This isn't true. Cashman is a fine GM. He's made very few moves that haven't worked out. He's made a number of smaller moves that have (Ichiro, Chavez, Jones, Ibanez, etc...)

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they just throw a lot of money around.
Of course this doesn't hurt
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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This isn't true. Cashman is a fine GM. He's made very few moves that haven't worked out. He's made a number of smaller moves that have (Ichiro, Chavez, Jones, Ibanez, etc...)


Of course this doesn't hurt
Fair enough, I guess I look at thier last 7-8 years in particular and they've IMO generally underachieved considering their monster payroll.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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After the World Series is over, if not sooner, we'll see one of the two following thread titles:

"Yankees Bought Another Championship," or

"Yankees Could Not Buy Another Championship."

In either event, the OP will have something to gloat about.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:11 PM
 
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The selection of the last 10 years is arbitrary. If you go back a little further to where the Yankees started exploding their payroll......

Since 1995 they've missed the playoffs ONE TIME and they've gone to the world series 7 times, winning 5 of them.

Additionally, the Red Sox and Cards have also been big payroll teams.

Claiming a high payroll doesn't buy championships and then pointing to the Red Sox and Cards as proof?

The Yankees are not a well run team, they just throw a lot of money around.
The Yankees are PHENOMINALLY well run. They havent spend a ton of money on a free agent since they acquired CC, TEX and AJ. Yanks have been winning with smoke and mirrors and a bunch of old guys who were considered 'done' by their previous teams. The Yanks have molded reclamation projects and kept it all together.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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Fair enough, I guess I look at thier last 7-8 years in particular and they've IMO generally underachieved considering their monster payroll.
But that's only if you think payroll matters. A player gets paid on his PAST performance with hope for the future. The Mariners gave Chone Figgins big money, he fell off the map, the Red Sox gave John Lackey and Carl Crawford huge money, both of THEM fell off the map...the Yankees gave CC and TEX big money and both of them didnt fall off the map and have been huge contributors to the Yanks success over the last 4 years.....you have to pay the right people. Its tough to pay a guy a lot of money for his past achievements and then keep that player 'hungry' to still play at a high level even though he's got a monster contract.

Baseball money is guaranteed, once a guy signs that big lifechanging deal, he can just tank the rest of his career and live happily ever after.....its a lot harder than meets the eye to pay all these free agents huge jack and expect them to continue being majorly hungry the rest of their careers. This is why guys like Derek Jeter are rare players, they have all the money they'll ever need yet they come out every day and play like they're broke trying to make a name for themelves.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:10 AM
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It's not a case of money buying championships, but money being necessary to keep a team competitive year in, year out. Most importantly, being one of the top 8-10 payroll teams in the league ensures you will be able to re-sign your homegrown players, rather than watching them walk and being forced to start over again in four-year intervals.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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The Yankees are PHENOMINALLY well run. They havent spend a ton of money on a free agent since they acquired CC, TEX and AJ. Yanks have been winning with smoke and mirrors and a bunch of old guys who were considered 'done' by their previous teams. The Yanks have molded reclamation projects and kept it all together.
That took phenomenal skill to sign 3 guys that total to more payroll than a number of ENTIRE MLB teams.

Sabathia, coming off a 17-10 season at age 27 with a 2.70 ERA wow....yeah, way to pick up that "old guy" off the scrap heap.

Tex was 28 and coming off a season where he batted .308...yeah another broken down old guy they smartly acquired?

Not sure which player you are referring to with AJ...but so far I see your examples are really guys the yankees threw big money at in their primes. Not exactly skillfull management....just more cash.

P.S. It's funny to see that you don't consider the 18million dollars they are paying Ichiro whom they added this year to be "a ton of money on a free agent"

Ichiro, CC and Tex total to 65million of 2012's payroll.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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P.S. It's funny to see that you don't consider the 18million dollars they are paying Ichiro whom they added this year to be "a ton of money on a free agent"

Ichiro, CC and Tex total to 65million of 2012's payroll.
The Yankees only paid Ichiro about $2 million
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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The Yankees only paid Ichiro about $2 million
Ah thanks, I stand corrected, I was going off of the baseball payroll charts and I see that Seattle is paying most of the 18mil and getting 2 prospects.
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