U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-21-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: NJ
17,579 posts, read 39,976,170 times
Reputation: 16148

Advertisements

Good. Smart move by MLB.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-21-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
13,293 posts, read 12,861,588 times
Reputation: 6637
Quote:
Originally Posted by manderly6 View Post
Good. Smart move by MLB.
Pretty senseless in my opinion.

The batting title isn't an award given out. There's no plaque that goes along with it.

So, what is the MLB saying? That Melky didn't get 159 hits in 459 at bats this season? If that's the case then...well...we'd have to start taking runs and wins away from the Giants.

That's not going to happen.

Instead, we're going to et McCutchen with an *

Dumb
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,669 posts, read 18,736,654 times
Reputation: 18867
Gee, they let Bonds and McGwire and Sosa and Arod retain all of their ill gained titles.

I wonder how this will be handled in the official record book. No mention of Cabrera at all, or his name and average listed with a notation that he was made ineligible.

The article says the impetus for this move was Melky himself, he went to the Union and asked that he be removed from consideration for the title. This came after Commissioner Selig had already ruled that he was not going to take any action in the matter.

It is an intelligent move on Cabrera's part because that title win would have been a continuing reminder of his fall from grace. Every article about him for the next few years would have had "Cabrera, who won the 2012 NL batting title despite his PEDs use and suspension...."

While Bonds and Sosa have remained in the denial mode, McGwire and Arod have confessed. Both won home run crowns in seasons where they were using PEDs by their own admissions. Will they now come forward and ask to have their names removed from the record books?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
13,293 posts, read 12,861,588 times
Reputation: 6637
Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok View Post
Pretty senseless in my opinion.

The batting title isn't an award given out. There's no plaque that goes along with it.

So, what is the MLB saying? That Melky didn't get 159 hits in 459 at bats this season? If that's the case then...well...we'd have to start taking runs and wins away from the Giants.

That's not going to happen.

Instead, we're going to et McCutchen with an *

Dumb
https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/249229214258188288
Quote:
The "batting title" is a statistic, not an award. So, basically, Melky Cabrera asked to be exempted from math, and MLB granted it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,669 posts, read 18,736,654 times
Reputation: 18867
Posted August 15th:
Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok View Post
Melkless Giants lose
Dodgers win.

Dodgers lead the NL West
Hey, those were the good old days, weren't they, filihok?

On August 14th, Cabrera's last game, the Giants were 64-53, .547 ball.

Without Melk they have gone 23-10, .697 ball.

Obviously Melky was killing them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: NJ
17,579 posts, read 39,976,170 times
Reputation: 16148
I am just fine if when people talk about who won the battle title they say a name other than Melky. IMO that is not sensless.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
13,293 posts, read 12,861,588 times
Reputation: 6637
Quote:
Originally Posted by manderly6 View Post
I am just fine if when people talk about who won the battle title they say a name other than Melky. IMO that is not sensless.
The batting title is 'simply', the player who had the highest of ratio of batted balls that the official scorer ruled were hits divided by the number of times he came to the plate minus the amount of times the umpire ruled that he was pitched 4 balls, the number of times the official scorer ruled his bunt was a sacrifice, minus the number of times his teammate was able to advance a base on his fly ball, minus the number of times the umpire ruled that he was struck with a bitched ball, minus the number of times the umpire ruled that the catcher somehow interfered with the hitters attempt to hit the ball.

Melky had the highest ratio (given the minimum number of plate appearances). To say otherwise is ridiculous.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NJ
17,579 posts, read 39,976,170 times
Reputation: 16148
Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok View Post
The batting title is 'simply', the player who had the highest of ratio of batted balls that the official scorer ruled were hits divided by the number of times he came to the plate minus the amount of times the umpire ruled that he was pitched 4 balls, the number of times the official scorer ruled his bunt was a sacrifice, minus the number of times his teammate was able to advance a base on his fly ball, minus the number of times the umpire ruled that he was struck with a bitched ball, minus the number of times the umpire ruled that the catcher somehow interfered with the hitters attempt to hit the ball.

Melky had the highest ratio (given the minimum number of plate appearances). To say otherwise is ridiculous.
So we already know there are qualifiers invloved (minimum # of plate appearances). So what is wrong with another qualifier (not banned for using illegal substances)?

I don't really care if you agree with me or not. Personally I like the decision and I am happy if this means he gets a bit less recognition than he would have otherwise gotten.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-21-2012, 07:04 PM
 
2,963 posts, read 3,079,659 times
Reputation: 2874
News I'm reading says that Melky Cabrera initiated his "removal" from the batting crown.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-26-2012, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
41,669 posts, read 18,736,654 times
Reputation: 18867
It is possible that Melky Cabrera could still end up winning the NL batting title despite the steps taken to make him ineligible.

The procedure being employed creates a potential loophole. What they did was agree to make a one time only suspension of Rule 10.22(a). That is the rule which allows a player who has fallen short of qualifying for the batting crown to have the missing plate appearances added to his total and his average calculated on that basis. If his average is still the highest despite the penalty, he wins the title.

But.....

The qualification rule for the batting title is a formula..3.1 plate appearances per team game played, which for 162 games works out to 502 plate appearances.

Melky is one plate appearance shy of qualification, and ineligible to benefit from Rule 10.22 (a).

What if the Giants have a rain out in one of their final week of games? If it has no bearing on the outcome of the post season races, it would not be rescheduled, just not played.

Which would lower the number of plate appearances for Cabrera to qualify to 498.9...and presto! He is now qualified and Rule 10.22 (a) has no application at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Baseball
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top