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Old 08-27-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Beckett has bounced back and forth between good years and bad years since signing with the Red Sox. His 2011 was fantastic. Crawford, to be fair, had one bad year followed by an injured year. If he bounces back in 2013, he could be a great addition to the Dodgers.

But, let's not kid ourselves. This deal was about getting Gonzalez and about Dodgers ownership wanting to show that they want to win immediately. Get the fan base riled up.

As for Boston, this was a salary dump and if ANY prospect pans out, they'll be fortunate. I haven't spent time looking into it yet, but I wonder what Boston will buy in the offseason. They'll likely use the free agent market to replace some of these players if they want to remain competitive in the AL East. I just don't know what is out there.
Not much.

The Red Sox in 2013 might look something like:
C Ryan Lavarnway
1B
2B Dustin Pedroia
3B Will Middlebrooks
SS
LF
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
RF
DH

C Jarrod Saltalamaccia
IF Mike Aviles
OF Ryan Sweeney

SP Jon Lester
SP Clay Buchholz
SP John Lackey
SP Feliz Doubront
SP
RP Andrew Bailey
RP Mark Melancon
RP

So there are a few holes

Josh Hamilton is, of, course the big get. Boston could certainly be interested
Michael Bourn
Mike Napoli
Zack Greinke


Those are the big names.

Lessor names, there was no real reason to clear $250 million for the lessor names.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Hometown of Jason Witten
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But, let's not kid ourselves. This deal was about getting Gonzalez and about Dodgers ownership wanting to show that they want to win immediately. Get the fan base riled up.
I'm not sure their fan base needs to be riled up. They're drawing over 3 million again.

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Old 08-27-2012, 11:34 AM
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The RedSox should completely clean house, like the A's did this offseason, and rebuild with prospects. Big-market teams with rabid fan bases on the level of Boston don't seem to have that option, though...which in a strange way levels the playing field, so to speak.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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The RedSox should completely clean house, like the A's did this offseason, and rebuild with prospects. Big-market teams with rabid fan bases on the level of Boston don't seem to have that option, though...which in a strange way levels the playing field, so to speak.
The Sox needed to do something. The local opinion of the club had plummeted.

I like the trade. It gets ride of some waste and saves the club a large sum of money.

The Sox need to pick a SS and stick with him.

Since Nomar left, the following players have come in without staying too long:

Orlando Cabrerra (part of the 2004 trade)
Edgar Renteria
Alex Gonzalez
Julio Lugo
Marco Scutaro
Nick Green
Jed Lowrie
Mike Aviles
Alex Cora


All of those guys have started at least 40 plus games from my memory. There have also been some other guys who have played, but not aw much as those listed.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The Sox needed to do something. The local opinion of the club had plummeted.

I like the trade. It gets ride of some waste and saves the club a large sum of money.

The Sox need to pick a SS and stick with him.

Since Nomar left, the following players have come in without staying too long:

Orlando Cabrerra (part of the 2004 trade)
Edgar Renteria
Alex Gonzalez
Julio Lugo
Marco Scutaro
Nick Green
Jed Lowrie
Mike Aviles
Alex Cora


All of those guys have started at least 40 plus games from my memory. There have also been some other guys who have played, but not aw much as those listed.
Which one of those guys should they have stuck with?
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Not much.

The Red Sox in 2013 might look something like:
C Ryan Lavarnway
1B
2B Dustin Pedroia
3B Will Middlebrooks
SS
LF
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
RF
DH

C Jarrod Saltalamaccia
IF Mike Aviles
OF Ryan Sweeney

SP Jon Lester
SP Clay Buchholz
SP John Lackey
SP Feliz Doubront
SP
RP Andrew Bailey
RP Mark Melancon
RP

So there are a few holes

Josh Hamilton is, of, course the big get. Boston could certainly be interested
Michael Bourn
Mike Napoli
Zack Greinke


Those are the big names.

Lessor names, there was no real reason to clear $250 million for the lessor names.
This article is about the Dodgers, but it fits here as well
What Were The Dodgers Alternatives? | FanGraphs Baseball
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If my wild guess speculations here aren’t too far off base, then the Dodgers could have spent similar amounts of money and come away with one of the various packages below:

A. Josh Hamilton (7/140), Nick Swisher (5/90), and Ryan Dempster (3/30)

B. Zack Greinke (6/130), Nick Swisher (5/90), and Mike Napoli (3/36)

C. Nick Swisher (5/90), Anibal Sanchez (5/75), and Mike Napoli (3/36), with $60 million leftover
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Asheville
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they might inquire about a king Felix trade and they have the prospects to pull it off if Seattle's interested
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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Not much.

The Red Sox in 2013 might look something like:
C Ryan Lavarnway
1B
2B Dustin Pedroia
3B Will Middlebrooks
SS
LF
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
RF
DH

C Jarrod Saltalamaccia
IF Mike Aviles
OF Ryan Sweeney

SP Jon Lester
SP Clay Buchholz
SP John Lackey
SP Feliz Doubront
SP
RP Andrew Bailey
RP Mark Melancon
RP

So there are a few holes

Josh Hamilton is, of, course the big get. Boston could certainly be interested
Michael Bourn
Mike Napoli
Zack Greinke


Those are the big names.

Lessor names, there was no real reason to clear $250 million for the lessor names.

Daniel Nava and Pedro Ciriaco can fill in the LF and SS positions! Both of those guys have been outstanding and came aboard as "nobody special AAA guys" with outstanding results. Ortiz needs to crack the bat a few more times this season if he thinks they will invest in a 2 year deal for him.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Daniel Nava and Pedro Ciriaco can fill in the LF and SS positions! Both of those guys have been outstanding and came aboard as "nobody special AAA guys" with outstanding results.
In a few plate appearances.


If a guy gets a hit in his first time at bat, should we assume that he's a 1.000 hitter? If he gets out in his first at bat should we assume he's a .000 hitter? Or should we wait until he gets more at bats?

You know we need more than 1 at bat to make this decision. We also need more than the few hundred that Nava and Cirico have compiled.


Nava should be something like a league average hitter, maybe a bit better. He walks about league average, strikes out about league average, has about league average power.

Ciriaco will be worse. He doesn't walk, strikes out around the average and has no real power to speak of.


Don't expect these performances to hold up
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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In a few plate appearances.


If a guy gets a hit in his first time at bat, should we assume that he's a 1.000 hitter? If he gets out in his first at bat should we assume he's a .000 hitter? Or should we wait until he gets more at bats?

You know we need more than 1 at bat to make this decision. We also need more than the few hundred that Nava and Cirico have compiled.


Nava should be something like a league average hitter, maybe a bit better. He walks about league average, strikes out about league average, has about league average power.



Ciriaco will be worse. He doesn't walk, strikes out around the average and has no real power to speak of.


Don't expect these performances to hold up
Both guys play hard and seem to get on base/have good hits frequently. Kind of like Middlebrooks before his injury. I prefer players that come to the park ready to play vs. overpaid veterans that rest on their laurels.

Ciriaco can run though!
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