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Old 09-07-2012, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Brandon McCarthy is having some significant problems after getting hit with a line drive back through the mound a couple of days ago.

The A's said McCarthy is "alert, awake and resting comfortably, and has shown signs of improvement'' after a two-hour operation to evacuate an epidural hemorrhage and stabilize the skull fracture. He also sustained a brain contusion.

A's Brandon McCarthy has skull fracture, surgery


There have been other head injuries to pitchers too from batted balls. In light of this injury, plus the risk to pitchers due to their follow through after releasing the ball, should baseball develop some type of protective headgear to lessen the chances of severe head injuries for pitchers?
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Yes. This should have been done a while ago.

Batters wear helmets
Catchers wear helmets
Umpires wear helmets
First base coaches wear helmets

Pitchers should wear helmets.

The challenge will be creating a helmet that won't get in the way of pitching. Though I'm sure that ingenuity will disperse with that obstacle.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Yeah, I'm thinking they should design something on the order of a hybrid bike helmet, kind of a cross between batter helmets and bike helmets.

But I think they better do something before the start of next season.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Yes------sooner or later more pitchers were going to take line drives to the head and face.

Even with great reactions, when a pitcher releases a pitch at 95mph and a hitter scorches a line drive at the mound, the results can be difficult to envision.

I agree that helmets can be customized to the point that they wont interfere with pitching. It has just gotten to the point that the force and speed of line drive comebackers are getting to the stage that something needs to be done to improve safety for the pitcher.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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I would disagree. How many times has this happened over the last 50 years? Can we count them on both hands?

MLB shouldn't overreact like the gov't often does. We have one incident where something bad happens that affects one person, and they pass laws that affect millions. Do coaches along the baselines really need helmets? Have we had a single coach get hit by a ball this year?

Maybe we should put football gear on baseball players, so they will be "safe" on both sides of the ball. Ridiculous.

What's next....pitch counts, inning limits, and shutting down your ace in the heat of a pennant race? I can see that helmet sitting sideways on Rodney's head now.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Baseball is not a contact sport, and there is no need for mandatory safety equipment at all, Chicken Little notwithstanding. Catchers wear protection, batters wear protection if they are prone to leaning over the plate or foudling balls off their foot. I am not aware that catchers are required, by any rule, to wear a mask. It is a sensible option, but still voluntary.

Matt Carpenter does not wear batting gloves, and missed a game this week when a bat splintered and lacerated his hands. Do you want to make batting gloves mandatory? This is just becoming silly. MLB players are grownups, and can make their own decisions about safety equipment. John Olerud wore a batting helmet in the field. His choice. Any pitcher who is afraid of a batted ball is perfectly free to wear a batting helmet, a bicycle helmet, or any other protective device he feels comfortable with, today, no questions asked. An outfielder runs into a wall today and gets hurt, there will be a clamor tomorrow to make all outfielders wear some kind of protective gear like football linemen.

Sooner or later, some player will be seriously injured by a broken wooden bat. Do we immediately then rush to aluminum bats? Instead of pitchers wearing helmets, we could switch to a softer ball, so no MLB player gets hurt when struck by a ball. Something like a tennis ball. Tennis players don't have to wear helmets. Yet.

A contact sport like football is something else. But baseball is a non-contact sport, played by adults. And the fear mongers have got kids wearing batting helmets to play Tee-ball, hitting an unpitched ball off a Tee, with 6-year-old power, for crissakes. The Tee Ball catcher, with nothing to catch, wears a mask with a throat flap, a helmet, shin guards and a chest protector, and probably a cup, and black under the eyes for day games. Just in case. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...m_Catcher2.JPG

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Old 09-10-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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Why would anyone argue against protective gear? Is there some vague macho ethic which reduces athletic heroes to pansies if they don't stride forth to do combat as nakedly as possible?

The sorts of things being said by some in this thread are the same sorts of things which were said when all previous safety measures were adopted. Batting helmets? Those were for sissies. I mean c'mon, maybe two or three guys get hit in the head all season, are we really going to make everyone wear a helmet in every at bat....? etc.

What!!! Now ear flaps!!!?? Outrageous!!!

The thing is, once something is introduced and enough time passes, it becomes so routine as to be utterly unremarkable. Is there anyone around who still argues that batting helmets are unneeded foo-fooery? Eventually a generation comes of age that never knew the time before the helmets, so not having them seems more weird than having them.

It would be the same with pitcher helmets. They will seem strange in the novelty phase of introduction, then everyone will eventually accept them and no one will be able to remember that there was ever opposition to them. Even if they keep some pitcher off the operating table only once every five years, they will be viewed as well worth it.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Why would anyone argue against protective gear? Is there some vague macho ethic which reduces athletic heroes to pansies if they don't stride forth to do combat as nakedly as possible?
Because it's not necessary. Because there have not been incidents like this pervasive in baseball at any level.

Too often in society, something one-off happens, and although it's a freak accident, we as humans try to control it. The truth here is that pitchers throw thousands of innings each year across MLB and the minor leagues without anything close to this happening. But because one pitcher got injured, now we need them all to wear some kind of helmet? Really?

If we use that logic, then we should all leave the house with helmets and pads on, because statistically, you are much more likely to get into a car crash, get hit by a car crossing the street, or have something fall from a building. Why don't we make all fans in the stands wear helmets? Flying bats and foul balls are a danger. When a 3B coach got hit by a foul ball a few years ago, MLB mandated that 1B and 3B coaches must wear helmets...to the uproar of coaches who don't want to wear that crap in 90 degree heat. How many coaches have been hit in the head by foul balls in the last 100 years and injured? 5? 10? 100?

Has nothing to do with macho and everything to do with nanny state type overreaction, where the all knowing and powerful must protect the little people from themselves.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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Because it's not necessary. Because there have not been incidents like this pervasive in baseball at any level.
Then I would suppose that you know the exact number of severe head injuries we may allow before it becomes too much? How many would that be?

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Too often in society, something one-off happens, and although it's a freak accident, we as humans try to control it. The truth here is that pitchers throw thousands of innings each year across MLB and the minor leagues without anything close to this happening. But because one pitcher got injured, now we need them all to wear some kind of helmet? Really?
As previously noted, this was precisely the sort of thing which was said about batting helmets when they were introduced. Do you feel they are superfluous as well?

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If we use that logic, then we should all leave the house with helmets and pads on, because statistically, you are much more likely to get into a car crash, get hit by a car crossing the street, or have something fall from a building. Why don't we make all fans in the stands wear helmets? Flying bats and foul balls are a danger. ?
Hmmm, you seem unfamiliar with the concept of "slippery slope" one of the classical logical misfires where one assumes any change will lead to unlimited change. The person advancing the slipperly slope argument may be relied upon to cite the most absurd or extreme versions of whatever is being considered.

In that introducing batting helmets failed to instantly result in players outfitted in immense padding , there isn't a reason to believe that pitcher helmets will either.

Apart from "rarely needed"..what would be your objection to pitchers in helmets? Doesn't look cool?
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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Because it's not necessary. Because there have not been incidents like this pervasive in baseball at any level.

Too often in society, something one-off happens, and although it's a freak accident, we as humans try to control it. The truth here is that pitchers throw thousands of innings each year across MLB and the minor leagues without anything close to this happening.
Anything close to what happening?

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But because one pitcher got injured, now we need them all to wear some kind of helmet? Really?
One pitcher, really?
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If we use that logic, then we should all leave the house with helmets and pads on, because statistically, you are much more likely to get into a car crash, get hit by a car crossing the street, or have something fall from a building.
Much more statistically likely to have these things happen than what?

I'd also like to see the statistics.


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Why don't we make all fans in the stands wear helmets? Flying bats and foul balls are a danger.
I know, it is so nanny state to have that big net behind home plate.

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When a 3B coach got hit by a foul ball a few years ago, MLB mandated that 1B and 3B coaches must wear helmets...to the uproar of coaches who don't want to wear that crap in 90 degree heat. How many coaches have been hit in the head by foul balls in the last 100 years and injured? 5? 10? 100?
I wonder how many bullets I can fire up in the air at a baseball game without hitting someone
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