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Old 04-11-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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After being hollowed out by years of MLB mismanagement, Werth put a moribund Nationals franchise on the credibility map by signing a 7-year, $126 million contract in December 2010. He was a bust in 2011 (his age-32 season) and suffered a broken wrist early the next year. He has been a pillar for the club ever since. If he leaves, whether now or later, he will be missed.
.244 BA last year-69 RBIs in 525 ABs. Pillar? -1.5 DWAR 2016.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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I applaud what Werth has done for the organization. He took a risk going to a relatively new franchise, albeit with some great stars in the pipeline ready to come out, but 2 years prior saw them finish with the worst record in the majors for the second straight year, and of their 6 years with baseball back in DC, the franchise had never finished above .500 (they finished at .500 in 2005 the first year) and aside from that 2005 season when they finished 3rd, they only had 1 other season that they DIDN'T finish in last (2007 when they finished a whopping 2 games in front of the Marlins who finished last). So, that was a clubhouse that only knew what losing was. Werth, coming off a World Series win, and 3 straight LCS appearances (2008-2010) he totally transformed that clubhouse from a losing mentality to a winning mentality, all because of Werth's veteran presence, and he took the money to transform the organization. So, for that I'm forever thankful for what he's done. However, his last 3 to 4 seasons he has fallen off a cliff and his production has come crashing down to earth faster than a meteorite. He's a FA after this year, probably won't get resigned, so if an AL team wants to give up a lottery ticket to have him DH the final 2 months of the season I'd wish him nothing but the best. Until (and if) that happens, he's been doing surprisingly well so far in the early going. Both him & Zim must have found the fountain of youth in the winter as both of them are playing well so far, just hope it continues.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:36 PM
 
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Luckily they were able to take advantage of the Cardinals bad bullpen to take Monday & Tuesday games as the Wednesday afternoon affair was a $#!tshow! After getting 2 quick outs on 2 strikeouts a walk, wild pitch and a double suddenly saw the home team trailing. Eaton doubled and Rendon singled leading off the bottom half, and it looked like the Nats were in position to not only tie the game but retake the lead, but Rendon got picked off first, Harper struck out on the next pitch, Murphy grounded out, and that was the end of the threat, and basically the end of the Nats, and really didn't get another threat until the 8th inning as after the Rendon pick off, Mike Leake retired the next 20 batters that came to the plate. In the 8th now trailing 3-0 Eaton came to the plate as the go ahead run; he singled in Wilmer Difo, but Rendon hit into a fielders choice, and Harper hit a rocket down the third base line that the Cards 3b made a great diving catch on. Cards put 3 runs in the 9th to put the game on ice. Monday night even with 4 errors they turned a 7-5 lead into a 14-6 win with a 7 run 8th inning, and on Tuesday they recorded 6 of their 8 runs in the 3rd, 4th & 5 innings of an 8-3 win.


3 game series vs. the Phillies start on Friday: Aaron Nola (1-0, 4.50) vs. Stephen Strasburg (1-0, 3.21) on Friday, Tanner Roark (2-0, 4.09) vs. Jeremy Hellickson (1-0, 0.90) on Saturday, Gio Gonzalez (1-0, 0.69) vs. Jerad Eickhoff (0-1, 1.98) on Sunday. Friday's game is at 4:05, Saturday's game at 1:05, Sunday at 1:35. Cardinals have Thursday off before playing their first interleague series of the year Friday in the Bronx vs. the Yankees.
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Old 04-13-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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.244 BA last year-69 RBIs in 525 ABs. Pillar? -1.5 DWAR 2016.
Yes, pillar. 95 wins. Another division championship. I'm sure you know what words Werth had for critics after a 12th-inning walk-off hit over the Cubs in June, and also that the defending NL MVP hit .243 last year. Numbers may not tell the complete story, especially in the short run.
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Old 04-13-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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Yes, pillar. 95 wins. Another division championship. I'm sure you know what words Werth had for critics after a 12th-inning walk-off hit over the Cubs in June, and also that the defending NL MVP hit .243 last year. Numbers may not tell the complete story, especially in the short run.
95 wins despite his poor play. Overall the Nats have a very good team, despite Werth.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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95 wins despite the "poor play" of Harper, Zimmerman, Revere, Taylor, Espinosa, and various others. Like a few other ballclubs, what the Nationals actually have here is a collection of talented players whose season-to-season performance varies in accordance with such factors as age, physical condition, and dumb luck. And through it all, the fact remains that after a disappointing initial season with the Nats, Jayson Werth has been a team pillar, both on the field and in the clubhouse. His mere decision to sign here positively altered the fortunes of the franchise going forward.
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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With the exception of the bottom of the 10th on Friday, the club has looked rather stale and flat over the past two games. This is apt to be a tougher division than it has been lately, so this sort of thing will need to be kept to a minimum.
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Old 04-15-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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With the exception of the bottom of the 10th on Friday, the club has looked rather stale and flat over the past two games. This is apt to be a tougher division than it has been lately, so this sort of thing will need to be kept to a minimum.


I'm not sure about the Marlins. It should still be Mets & Nats at the end of the year. Go back to last Friday, and they've only looked really good in 1 game since the end of the 5th inning from that game last Friday: The Tuesday night game against the Cardinals. Still early, and the team will have ebbs & flows throughout the year, I wouldn't put much stock into it. Unlike the Blue Jays & Mariners, at least they have actually won games through the struggles unlike those 2 teams.
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Old 04-15-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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I'm not sure about the Marlins. It should still be Mets & Nats at the end of the year. Go back to last Friday, and they've only looked really good in 1 game since the end of the 5th inning from that game last Friday: The Tuesday night game against the Cardinals. Still early, and the team will have ebbs & flows throughout the year, I wouldn't put much stock into it. Unlike the Blue Jays & Mariners, at least they have actually won games through the struggles unlike those 2 teams.
I agree. NL East is a 2 team race. I suspect Braves will regroup to join us within 2 years, perhaps Phils. Less faith in Marlins as ownership is even worse than the Wilpons. I like some of their pieces, like Yelich, but see him elsewhere not long from now.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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And through it all, the fact remains that after a disappointing initial season with the Nats, Jayson Werth has been a team pillar, both on the field and in the clubhouse. His mere decision to sign here positively altered the fortunes of the franchise going forward.
Werth has had two good seasons with the Nationals, 2013 and 2014. He put up a combined 8.8 WAR in those years. Werth has not been worth his contract the other four years, putting up 0.6 WAR total for those seasons.

In four seasons as a Phillie, Werth compiled 15.7 WAR, or 3.9 per average season. In six seasons in Washington it has been 9.5 WAR, or an average of 1.6 WAR per year.

The Phillies paid Werth an average of 3.1 million per season. The Nationals have paid Werth an average of 20.4 million per season.

Clubhouse pillar or not, it was a bad contract for Washington. That same money could have been spent on more productive players. Notions of intangible contributions are vague and outside confirmation tests. I'm sure they could have found another inspiring player for a lot less than 20 million a year.
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