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Old 05-02-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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April 24: Nats 4 @ Rockies 8. I was kinda expecting them to lose this game anyways but it was still frustrating especially taking the lead late. Nats scored 4 in the 6th on an Adam Eaton triple, Anthony Rendon single, and Ryan Zimmerman homer before the crap bullpen gave it away with 5 runs combined in the 7th and 8th after Jacob Turner left with a 4-3 lead.
April 25: Nats 15 @ Rockies 11. Trea Turner with the 3rd cycle in Nats history after Brad Wilkerson in 2006 & Christian Guzman in 2009. He also finished with 7 RBI's & 4 runs scored which was the most RBI's and runs scored in a cycle since Ralph Kiner and only the 3rd since 1920 with as many as 4 runs scored and 7 RBI's in a cycle with the other being Joe DiMaggio. Pretty good company to be in. And surprisingly this wasn't even the most newsworthy item of the week!
Wednesday: Nats 11 @ Rockies 4. Turner finished a triple shy of a cycle for the 2nd straight night as the top 5 in the order of Eaton, Turner, Bryce Harper, Zimmerman, and Daniel Murphy had all 11 RBI's.
Thursday: Nats 16 @ Rockies 5. Eaton & Turner finished 5-10 with 5 runs scored and 5 RBI's and an 11 run 7th inning turned a close game (4-2 after 6) into a rout (15-2 after 7).
Friday: Mets 7 @ Nats 5. Travis d'Arnaud had 2 homers and 5 RBI's snapping the Mets 6 game losing streak. Adam Eaton tore his ACL, meniscus and suffered a high ankle sprain beating out a 9th inning infield single. He will likely miss the rest of the season.
Saturday: Mets 5 @ Nats 3. Michael Conforto had 2 home runs to lead the Mets to back-to-back wins for the first time in over 2 weeks. Even though they had 8 hits, they only left 2 on base as the Mets reliance on the long ball was in full effect as 4 of the 5 runs scored on homers. 5 of the 8 runs total came via home runs.
Sunday: Mets 5 @ Nats 23. Yup, not a typo. Bruce had an RBI single in the top of the first and then it was an offensive explosion for the Nats. They set team records for runs in a game (23), home runs in a game (7) while Rendon set a team record for RBI's & hits in a game (10 & 6 respectively), while also having 3 home runs. In fact, Rendon became the first player in over 100 years to finish 6-6 with 3 home runs and 10 RBI's in a game, and became the first player since Walter Cooper in 1949 to record 6 hits, 10 RBI's and 3 homers in a game (Cooper went 6-7 which is why he wasn't included in the previous stat). Since this was the last day of April, here are some stats on the Nats who lead MLB in wins and are 1 of only 4 teams that have yet to record double digit losses (with the other 3 being the Orioles, Yankees & Astros):
-According the Elias Sports Bureau, the Nats are the first team in history to score 14+ runs 5 times in April
-Harper scored 32 runs in April breaking the previous April record of 29 held by Larry Walker
-The month ended with either Zimmerman or Harper leading baseball in: AVG, HR, RBI, R, H, BB, OBP, SLG and OPS
-Harper and Zimmerman became the first pair of teammates since 2000 (Edmonds & McGuire) and 4th overall (Ruth & Gehrig [26], Ruth, Gehrig & Dickey [32]) who each had 1.250 OPS+ in April
-The Nats scored 77 runs this week, the Royals as a team the whole month of April only scored 63 runs.


3 game series with the D'Backs starts on Tuesday. Tanner Roark (3-0, 3.64) starts today vs. Taijuan Walker (3-1, 3.94), Robbie Ray (2-1, 3.56) takes on Gio Gonzalez (3-0, 1.62) Wednesday, while Zack Greinke (2-2, 3.19) will square off against Max Scherzer (3-2, 2.94) Thursday afternoon. Tuesday & Wednesday games begin at 7:05 while getaway day Thursday will be a 1:05 affair. Mets will play the Braves for the 3rd time already this season but the first time in Atlanta's new home in a 4 game set which began Monday night with the Mets coming from behind to win the first game.
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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Your guys offense has been a wonder to behold so far. What has happened to the pitching? Last season the Nats were second in the NL in ERA at 3.51, but so far in 2017 they are 11th at 4.49.

If last year's pitching was teamed with this year's hitting, Washington would be playing .800 ball. (Not that the current .680 is bad.)
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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For the starters: Gio (Gonzalez) has been great. Tanner (Roark) was due to trend downwards eventually. For a pitcher that doesn't strike many guys out, doesn't throw particularly hard, and is a pitch to contact guy usually regress at some point, though he's not bad by any means. I'm sure over 70% of the league would love to him as a 4th or 5th starter because he eats innings. Stras (Stephen Strasburg) and Max (Scherzer) are still pretty good. Joe Ross just got optioned to AAA today so the 5th spot will be in flux but with the other 4 starters we have I'm confident they are enough to win series and at this point where we are we, as long as we win series we'll be fine.


The bullpen on the other hand is a complete and unmitigated disaster zone, everyone but Koda Glover sucks. FEMA should send in relief aid it's so bad. So, when you combine the 2, that's why the pitching stats aren't very good as the relief core is the big anchor holding the team down.
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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For the starters: Gio (Gonzalez) has been great. Tanner (Roark) was due to trend downwards eventually. For a pitcher that doesn't strike many guys out, doesn't throw particularly hard, and is a pitch to contact guy usually regress at some point, though he's not bad by any means. I'm sure over 70% of the league would love to him as a 4th or 5th starter because he eats innings. Stras (Stephen Strasburg) and Max (Scherzer) are still pretty good. Joe Ross just got optioned to AAA today so the 5th spot will be in flux but with the other 4 starters we have I'm confident they are enough to win series and at this point where we are we, as long as we win series we'll be fine.


The bullpen on the other hand is a complete and unmitigated disaster zone, everyone but Koda Glover sucks. FEMA should send in relief aid it's so bad. So, when you combine the 2, that's why the pitching stats aren't very good as the relief core is the big anchor holding the team down.
I checked the numbers and they confirm the above. The Nats starters are 6th in NL ERA at 3.92, but the bullpen is dead last at 5.70.

What has gone wrong with the pen? Last season they were second in NL ERA for both their starters and their relief pitchers. (3.37)

3.37 one year and 5.70 the next? Is there something toxic in the bullpen's drinking water?
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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As many know, relief pitchers are fickle. 1 year they can be great, the next year they are terrible, and the year after that they fall in the middle of the first 2. Take for example Joe Blanton. Last year he was revelation as a set up man for the Dodgers. Was the key guy out of the Dodgers bullpen in the NLCS last year against the Nats, the Nats management bought it, signed him, and he's been a complete train wreck.
Oliver Perez was mediocre at best for most of his career....both as a failed starter and reliever. Last year he wasn't particular terrible, but this year he sure is, well as long as he's not playing the Mets.
Blake Treinen was pretty good last year, team installed him as a closer to begin the year, completely flopped in the role and got replaced in under 3 weeks, and has never recovered.
Shawn Kelley much like Oliver Perez was never anything special, but like Perez had a pretty good year last year as the top set up man, and this year I think is carrying like a high 4's or even 5 ERA.


I knew the relief pitching was going to be the major problem for this team and why I figured a July trade (Colome, Herrerra, Doolittle) was going to be the one thing that this team really needed to address at the trade deadline. Even with the injury to Adam Eaton, I still think bullpen is the area we need to address the most, but hell maybe give KC enough to package both Herrerra AND Cain (remember, we only really need a CF for the rest of THIS year, so Cain if he walks no harm no foul maybe) that way we could fill our major need (bullpen) while also fixing a hole in the lineup (CF) that came around via an injury.
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Old 05-02-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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What is happening in Washington is part of a trend in 2017, at least for the first month.

MLB ERA by starters and relievers

2014
S - 3.83
R - 3.58

2015
S - 4.11
R - 3.71

2016
S - 4.35
R - 3.93

April 2017
S - 4.08
R - 4.14

The starters have outperformed the relievers this season. It may be a one month anomaly, but if not, all the money that clubs have been pouring into building fierce bullpens is starting to backfire.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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The media can create siren-like fantasy memes. The Royals reached and won the World Series with a dominant 3-man bullpen as good as that of the Braves of years gone by. This became the backdrop for deals such as the Nationals' trade for Jonathan Papelbon. The Cubs reached and won the World Series while using many of their players at multiple positions. In Spring Training this year, "versatility" became perhaps the most over-used word of the season. In the end though, it all comes down to the same things it has always come down to.

Good pitching will always stop good hitting, and vice versa.
-- Casey Stengel
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Old 05-03-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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Anyone do ziMS "Night at the Park" last night? A chance to mix and mingle while enjoying endless food and drink, and all for a very good cause.
Wait till next year, but I'll just endorse this event once again. It's maybe kind of pricey at $500 (half of it tax deductible), but it's a special sort of experience to hang out with players in the same sort of way you might with neighbors at an annual block party. The food is much better than at a typical block party as well. And of course, MS is a good thing to be fighting against anyway. Something that's at least worth thinking about.
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Old 05-04-2017, 11:50 PM
 
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Tuesday: D'Backs 6 @ Nats 3. D'Backs got homers from Jeremy Hazelbaker, Jake Lamb, and Chris Hermann to send the Nats to their 3rd loss in 4 games.
Wednesday: D'Backs 1 @ Nats 2. Jacob Turner pitched the final 4 innings relieving an ineffective Gio Gonzalez (7 walks in 5 innings) to pick up the win
Thursday: D'Backs 2 @ Nats 4. Max Scherzer helped himself with an RBI infield single in the 2nd to put the Nats on the board and Rendon had an RBI double in the 3rd inning. Lamb & Paul Goldschmidt would each hit solo homers for the D'Backs.


Each team is on the road for 3 game weekend series beginning on Friday. D'Backs head to Denver to take on the Rockies for first place in the NL West this weekend. The Nats meanwhile head up to Philly for the 2nd time this year to take on their nemesis the Phillies: They are only 3-3 against the Phillies, but have a 16-6 record against all other teams. Friday Nick Pivetta (0-1, 3.60) starts for the Phillies on Friday against Stephen Strasburg (2-1, 3.09), A.J. Cole (1-2, 5.17 last season) will get the call up from AAA Syracuse to get the start Saturday with Joe Ross on the DL squaring off against Vince Velasquez (2-2, 5.47) while Sunday sees Tanner Roark (3-1, 4.04) pitching for the Nats against Jeremy Hellickson (4-1, 3.08). Friday's starter for Philly, Pivetta came over from the Nats in that atrociously awful, incredibly stupid, and ridiculously unneeded Papelbum trade in 2015 which immediately blew up in their face (as I so called the day it happened), now we are stuck with the stench for the next 5 to 10 years with Pivetta likely making multiple starts a year for the Phillies against the Nats . Friday & Saturday are at 7:05, Sunday is a weird start time at 2:35 .
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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The Nats did get two of three from Arizona, but did not look especially good in doing so. Lethargic play and a propensity to waste golden opportunities could have done much worse damage than they did. Thankfully, Jacob Turner pulled off a miracle for us in Game-2. Some might say that Enny Romero's throwing 10 of 13 pitches for strikes in the final frame of Game-3 was a miracle as well. Very nice to see, though!

Weather is meanwhile looking iffy this weekend in Philadelphia, particularly re heavy rains today and into tonight. Slow, damp improvement is forecast to follow. By the way, the scheduled 2:35 start time on Sunday is to accommodate the annual Broad Street Run, a 10-miler that starts at 10:30 and typically draws around 35,000 contestants. The race starts at the northern end of Broad Street and finishes at the southern end which is in the immediate vicinity of the ballpark.
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