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Old 10-05-2012, 10:46 PM
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The bottom line is that the Braves-Cardinals game should never have been played in the first place. The Braves had already done everything necessary to earn the Wild Card, of which there is only one. The Rangers-Orioles was a legitimate tie-breaker, they finished the season with identical records.
I think the second wildcard is stupid too. Makes you think something slimy was behind the decision
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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That was a bad call in the Cards-Braves game, but the Braves fans had better throws than their team. 3 errors, and 13 or 14 left on base? A lot of missed opportunities.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:16 AM
 
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The bottom line is that the Braves-Cardinals game should never have been played in the first place. The Braves had already done everything necessary to earn the Wild Card, of which there is only one. The Rangers-Orioles was a legitimate tie-breaker, they finished the season with identical records.
Well then maybe they should've won their division.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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The bottom line is that the Braves-Cardinals game should never have been played in the first place. The Braves had already done everything necessary to earn the Wild Card, of which there is only one. The Rangers-Orioles was a legitimate tie-breaker, they finished the season with identical records.
Exactly. That's really what pisses me off the most, the call sucked but it happens, that whole game was a travesty in the first place.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:57 AM
 
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Well then maybe they should've won their division.
Maybe St. Louis should win more than 87-89 games one year. The supposed rationale behind this stupid game was to reward teams that won their division but it just rewarded a team that finished a solid 10 games out in their (weak) division and 6 games behind in the WC, and that finished (again) with less than 90 wins to make the playoffs and punished a team that tied for third best record in baseball. Another idiotic move by Bud Selig.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:08 AM
 
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Well then maybe they should've won their division.
Maybe next year to make things even more "exciting" and "dramatic" we should have all the division winners play all the division runner ups. All the winners get the division and the losers play out in a round robin tournament for a chance to play the team that finished second in the WC race in a one game playoff. It's not like we play 162 times a season to decide who are the four best teams in each league...

Hell why stop there? Lets scrap the regular season, since winning 94 games doesn't seem to matter, and just have a home run derby, and the team that accumulates the most HRs at the end of the season wins. Of course winning it doesn't matter anyway since having the most of anything doesn't matter in baseball. After the season long HR derby we'll have all the divisional teams play a tourney to determine seeding for the actual tourney to determine who goes to the playoffs...
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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Has anybody thought about what Braves fans would be screaming if Kozma had intentionally let it fall, and then snapped up the ball and thrown to third and then to second for a double play? They would have gleefully accepted a late IFR call.

I have been arguing for decades that the IFR should be abolished completely, and the ball played like any other legally batted ball.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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I was at that game too. The reaction of the fans was mild compared to A) What it should have been, and B) What it would have been in NY or Philly. That was outrageous. Chipper's error hurt bad, and the game didn't look good, but I hate to leave a "who knows" out there like the bases loaded and one out. Besides that, what is ever settled by one game in baseball?
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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Has anybody thought about what Braves fans would be screaming if Kozma had intentionally let it fall, and then snapped up the ball and thrown to third and then to second for a double play? They would have gleefully accepted a late IFR call.

I have been arguing for decades that the IFR should be abolished completely, and the ball played like any other legally batted ball.
That's the point. It was a bad call because he couldn't have done that in time. The ball was too deep, and should have been fielded by the left fielder.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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The Braves had already done everything necessary to earn the Wild Card, of which there is only one.
Now there are two wild cards.

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I think the second wildcard is stupid too. Makes you think something slimy was behind the decision
Do you think providing a product with the intent of extracting more money from the masses to redistribute to a few comparatively more wealthy individuals is "slimy"?

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Maybe St. Louis should win more than 87-89 games one year. The supposed rationale behind this stupid game was to reward teams that won their division but it just rewarded a team that finished a solid 10 games out in their (weak) division and 6 games behind in the WC, and that finished (again) with less than 90 wins to make the playoffs and punished a team that tied for third best record in baseball. Another idiotic move by Bud Selig.
How'd it punish the team with the 3rd best record in baseball?
If not for the wild card they would not have made the playoffs


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Has anybody thought about what Braves fans would be screaming if Kozma had intentionally let it fall, and then snapped up the ball and thrown to third and then to second for a double play? They would have gleefully accepted a late IFR call.
I think the ball was too far into the outfield for that to have happened.

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I have been arguing for decades that the IFR should be abolished completely, and the ball played like any other legally batted ball.
This, I don't mind. It'd certainly make popups more exciting.





Seems like a lot of people aren't a fan of playoffs. Sometimes in a playoff series, be that series, 1, 3, 5 or 7 games, the team with less regular season wins will win.

Would you be happier to do away with leagues and divisions, and playoffs, and the World Series? All 30 teams could play a balanced schedule of 180 games against each other with the team winning the most games being the champion. No chance for any of these types of 'injustices' where a team with less regular season wins beats a team with more wins.
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