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Old 10-06-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Billy Beane said it best when he said you can't plan for the playoffs because it's all random. Some good A's teams that were built to win 95+ games but couldn't handle the arbitrary and random nature of the playoffs got knocked out early by potentially lesser teams. The playoffs are a crap shoot.
It's an acceptable crap-shoot nonetheless. Those otherwise great A's teams lost in the postseason largely because of a lack of fundamentals (particularly baserunning) which wasn't the case with the more veteran players on the opposition. Was I bitter as hell about it? Yeah, still am. But they don't deserve a free pass just because a wild card team won the World Series some of those years...teams need to earn that ring.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The press releases from MLB do not reflect reality, they have only worded them in a way calculated to suck you in. The games played on Friday were an additional round of play, whose sole purpose was to determine which team (singular) would advance to compete against the division winners in a fair and balanced playoff series. What they called the "wild card playoff births" were the teams eligible to compete, in a supplemental special series, to determine the ONE wild card team that actually goes to the league playoffs. Those four teams winning those "births" did not advance to the playoff rounds until their numbers were reduced to one in each league, the number of spots for wild cards in each league's playoffs. The playoff start Saturday, with a bracket of teams, all with records of 0-0. The games played Friday have no effect whatsoever on the playoffs, except to determine which teams are now qualified to be placed in the playoff brackets. They are called "wild card births" only because the participants in those games, through elimination, will yield the team that merits the wild card slot (singular) in the playff bracket.
LOL. Ok. You look at it THAT way. And I'll look at it the other way. And it'll make no difference.

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No it's just not fair. Why play 162 games if you're going to just have a crap shoot between 8 teams at the end of the year to determine the champion? And if the champion is not the best team than it's a sham.

I know that the best team doesn't always win but that's the perception. These 87 win sham WC teams that get randomly hot at the end of the year are celebrated while 100 win teams that were in every objective standard better are soon forgotten. It's all a joke.

The WC "play in" is a sham and an injustice. It randomly worked out perfectly in the AL but the Rangers and the Orioles would have played that game anyway. In the NL that was a joke. We played a season series against St. Louis and won it 5-1. We won 94 games and finished 6 games ahead of them. A random coin flip game where a throwing error and a botched call can erase 162 games of good baseball is bogus.

I don't have a problem with the playoffs because it's "too much baseball" (whatever the hell that means) I have a problem with it because it's completely unfair and renders the regular season almost completely meaningless. I mean why don't we just play 50 regular season games and then an "exciting" and "dramatic" postseason where all 30 teams make it and start playing knock off "playoff" series after that? Because it's absurd that's why and it's absurd that an 83(!!) win Cardinal team that had the 5th best record in the NL and the 13th best record() in MLB can get crowned "Champion." (2006)

Billy Beane said it best when he said you can't plan for the playoffs because it's all random. Some good A's teams that were built to win 95+ games but couldn't handle the arbitrary and random nature of the playoffs got knocked out early by potentially lesser teams. The playoffs are a crap shoot.
So, you realize that the playoffs are a 'crap shoot' but are railing against the fact that the best team doesn't always win and it's a crap shoot?

I don't get it.

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Old 10-06-2012, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Nasty curveball from Darvish to Machado in the 5th.
It was this one in fact



A 64 mile an hour curve with nearly 7 inches of horizontal movement and 10 inches of vertical movement.

Darvish's average curveball was 67 miles per hour with just over 7 inches of break on both planes.
*Brooksbaseball
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:24 PM
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Now there are two wild cards.


Do you think providing a product with the intent of extracting more money from the masses to redistribute to a few comparatively more wealthy individuals is "slimy"?


How'd it punish the team with the 3rd best record in baseball?
If not for the wild card they would not have made the playoffs



I think the ball was too far into the outfield for that to have happened.


This, I don't mind. It'd certainly make popups more exciting.





Seems like a lot of people aren't a fan of playoffs. Sometimes in a playoff series, be that series, 1, 3, 5 or 7 games, the team with less regular season wins will win.

Would you be happier to do away with leagues and divisions, and playoffs, and the World Series? All 30 teams could play a balanced schedule of 180 games against each other with the team winning the most games being the champion. No chance for any of these types of 'injustices' where a team with less regular season wins beats a team with more wins.


To me it seems like the decision was made to make sure that there is always a big market team in the playoffs.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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To me it seems like the decision was made to make sure that there is always a big market team in the playoffs.
Did you ever notice that, over the past decade at least, every single Yankee game is in prime time. Whatever other games there are the same date, if the Yankees are playing, it is the 8-pm game, no matter what. How can that be an accident? If the networks go to so much trouble to make sure the Yankees are in prime time, what does that say about their "interest" in having a post season that the Yankees are not in at all?

Does anybody remember 1981, the strike year, when the commissioner of baseball (who just happened to live in New York City) looked at the standings in July, and declared that the Yankees and Dodgers (and As and Phils) would be in the post season, even if they lost every game in the second half of the season. And sure enough, the Yanks and Dodges lay down and played .500 ball the rest of the year and played in the World Series, just as Bowie Kuhn promised them.

The Yankees are always winners. Nobody is that good. Nobody is that lucky. But are you so naive as to think that Nobody is that crooked.

And now, some playoff games are not even being televised to most cable viewers. They have greedily packed in so many playoff games "for the fans", that they aren't even being all televised. Sunday's Oak/Det game is not on any cable station in my market, because there are so many crap playoff games, involving teams in the middle of the pack, there aren't any cable network to even carry them all. I get 700 channels, and none of them are interested in televising some playoff games. Oak/Det is the 12:00 game, there is no other game, no schedule conflict, TBS has just said to hell with it, we're not going to air it. It's not important enough to preempt "Blue Streak", a 1999 jewel heist comedy starring Martin Lawrence.

The TV coverage of the playoff has already sunk so low, that only TBS will even bid on the games, and now some games are only on the MLB network, which very few cable systems carry outside major metropolitan markets. MLB is now diluting the post season so much that MLB has to set up its own TV network, because no existing stations, not even TVS, want to carry even the post season playoff games. And they keep feeding us the lie that they are doing all this "for the fans".

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
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Did you ever notice that, over the past decade at least, every single Yankee game is in prime time. Whatever other games there are the same date, if the Yankees are playing, it is the 8-pm game, no matter what. How can that be an accident? If the networks go to so much trouble to make sure the Yankees are in prime time, what does that say about their "interest" in having a post season that the Yankees are not in at all?

The Yankees are always winners. Nobody is that good. Nobody is that lucky. But I wouldn't go out on a limb and say Nobody is that crooked.

And now, some playoff games are not even being televised to most cable viewers. They have greedily packed in so many playoff games "for the fans", that they aren't even being all televised. Sunday's Oak/Det game is not on any cable station in my market, because there is so many crap playoff games, there aren't any cable network to even carry them all. I get 700 channels, and none of them are interested in televising some playoff games.

The TV coverage of the playoff has already sunk so low, that only TBS will even bid on the games, and now some games are only on the MLB network, which very few cable systems carry outside major metropolitan markets. MLB is now diluting the post season so much that MLB has to set up its own TV network, because the existing stations don't even want to carry them. And they keep feeding us the lie that they are doing all this "for the fans".


Yes I agree, Yankee games are always at 8pm
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Did you ever notice that, over the past decade at least, every single Yankee game is in prime time. Whatever other games there are the same date, if the Yankees are playing, it is the 8-pm game, no matter what. How can that be an accident? If the networks go to so much trouble to make sure the Yankees are in prime time, what does that say about their "interest" in having a post season that the Yankees are not in at all?

Does anybody remember 1981, the strike year, when the commissioner of baseball (who just happened to live in New York City) looked at the standings in July, and declared that the Yankees and Dodgers (and As and Phils) would be in the post season, even if they lost every game in the second half of the season. And sure enough, the Yanks and Dodges lay down and played .500 ball the rest of the year and played in the World Series, just as Bowie Kuhn promised them.

The Yankees are always winners. Nobody is that good. Nobody is that lucky. But are you so naive as to think that Nobody is that crooked.

And now, some playoff games are not even being televised to most cable viewers. They have greedily packed in so many playoff games "for the fans", that they aren't even being all televised. Sunday's Oak/Det game is not on any cable station in my market, because there are so many crap playoff games, involving teams in the middle of the pack, there aren't any cable network to even carry them all. I get 700 channels, and none of them are interested in televising some playoff games. Oak/Det is the 12:00 game, there is no other game, no schedule conflict, TBS has just said to hell with it, we're not going to air it. It's not important enough to preempt "Blue Streak", a 1999 jewel heist comedy starring Martin Lawrence.

The TV coverage of the playoff has already sunk so low, that only TBS will even bid on the games, and now some games are only on the MLB network, which very few cable systems carry outside major metropolitan markets. MLB is now diluting the post season so much that MLB has to set up its own TV network, because no existing stations, not even TVS, want to carry even the post season playoff games. And they keep feeding us the lie that they are doing all this "for the fans".
So, it's also for the money?

duh
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Guillermo Mota in for the Giants.

Melky watches from home

Mota was suspended this season for PED use.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:17 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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Did you ever notice that, over the past decade at least, every single Yankee game is in prime time. Whatever other games there are the same date, if the Yankees are playing, it is the 8-pm game, no matter what. How can that be an accident? If the networks go to so much trouble to make sure the Yankees are in prime time, what does that say about their "interest" in having a post season that the Yankees are not in at all?

Does anybody remember 1981, the strike year, when the commissioner of baseball (who just happened to live in New York City) looked at the standings in July, and declared that the Yankees and Dodgers (and As and Phils) would be in the post season, even if they lost every game in the second half of the season. And sure enough, the Yanks and Dodges lay down and played .500 ball the rest of the year and played in the World Series, just as Bowie Kuhn promised them.

The Yankees are always winners. Nobody is that good. Nobody is that lucky. But are you so naive as to think that Nobody is that crooked.

And now, some playoff games are not even being televised to most cable viewers. They have greedily packed in so many playoff games "for the fans", that they aren't even being all televised. Sunday's Oak/Det game is not on any cable station in my market, because there are so many crap playoff games, involving teams in the middle of the pack, there aren't any cable network to even carry them all. I get 700 channels, and none of them are interested in televising some playoff games. Oak/Det is the 12:00 game, there is no other game, no schedule conflict, TBS has just said to hell with it, we're not going to air it. It's not important enough to preempt "Blue Streak", a 1999 jewel heist comedy starring Martin Lawrence.

The TV coverage of the playoff has already sunk so low, that only TBS will even bid on the games, and now some games are only on the MLB network, which very few cable systems carry outside major metropolitan markets. MLB is now diluting the post season so much that MLB has to set up its own TV network, because no existing stations, not even TVS, want to carry even the post season playoff games. And they keep feeding us the lie that they are doing all this "for the fans".
I've noticed too that the Yankees almost always play the evening game (although they play at 6 p.m. tonight instead of 8).

I think the Yankees get the best ratings so that is why they get the prime slot.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So, it's also for the money?

duh
They are creating products that they can't even sell to TBS, because they have become too irrelevant.
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