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Old 10-07-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by OhioIstheBest View Post
They're from Georgia. That's the way people from there act.
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Cardinals fans clearly thought Mark McGwire was bigger than the game. But rookie umpire Sam Holbrook disagreed.
When the St. Louis slugger blew his cool, drew a line in the batter's box with his bat and got ejected in the first inning of a 4-3 loss to the Atlanta Braves, he didn't just cost himself a few at-bats in his quest for the home run record. He also frustrated a sellout crowd of 47,627, there to watch him and only him.
"I get upset like any normal American," said McGwire, smiling, sipping a Diet Coke and jokingly blaming a pregame chat with fiery Indiana coach Bob Knight for his tantrum. "I was caught off-guard and I got upset and I let steam roll off."
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2] The fans mirrored his emotions. The game was halted for about 10 minutes and police were summoned after debris and foul balls were tossed on the fieldMOD CUT[/SIZE][/SIZE]
McGwire ejected; fans litter field

The same idiot Umpire caught up in debris flying on the field. Posting this though was just to lay to rest any notion of this being a Georgia/Atlanta thing.

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Old 10-07-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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What don't you get? It would have been the LAST inning of the WS (not just a random one) if it had been a three-out inning, but a bad call gave the opponents four outs, and the result was that the last inning of the series was not the last inning. The Royals didn't have 189 outs (or whatever) to avoid loss, they had three, and were given four. Why do you keep saying so many things that are unrelated to that plain and simple fact?
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What you are not getting is the larger picture.

To wit:

In any inning where a team fails to prevent the opposition from scoring, they have contributed to their own defeat. In some innings luck is a factor, but it is a factor for both sides throughout a seven game series, as it is in any game.

Were you to deconstruct the entire '85 Series pitch by pitch, play by play, you will uncover the serial fruits of luck. In one inning you may have stationed your right fielder toward the foul line in conformity with a hitter's known tendencies, only to have had that hitter go the opposite way for extra bases...you did everything right and it still backfired....bad luck. A blown call by an ump is just one more chunk of possible bad luck you must overcome. There is no logical reason to view that particular kind of bad luck differently from any other kind of bad luck, only emotional reasons, as is made apparent by your focus on a single play in what was a drama involving thousands of pieces of luck and skill. As easily as you could view the 9th inning error as fatal, you could view any of the innings in which St. Louis failed to score as fatal.

It is illogical to claim that one play caused the defeat of the Cardinals in the Series, it took all of the plays in all four of their losses to defeat them. Some of those plays involved good/bad luck, but it is foolish to single out one as any more critical than any other. That particular Game Six featured a fine illustration of my point. In the same inning where the Cardinals lost an out to the bad umpire call, they lost another out when 1b Jack Clark and c Darrell Porter came together under a foul pop, and each thinking the other had it, allowed it to drop safely. The batter, Bye Bye Balboni, then singled to keep the inning alive. That was another out that St. Louis lost, every bit as damaging in terms of losing the game, but you treat it as a non event in favor of claiming the bad call determined everything.

Why did the bad call decide the Series while the dropped popup did not?

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Old 10-07-2012, 04:17 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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You've never met a sports fan that doesn't act like a knuckle dragging fool?
I never met a sports fan who doesn't show emotion after a game.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:28 PM
 
Location: International Spacestation
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If the fans are not happy no one is happy.

It's just a game get over it.
Gtfoh & ****
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: International Spacestation
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Fans were angry at a call (and an ejection, I think) in Los Angeles sometime in the 90s - on "free baseball" night. The fans threw the balls onto the field, the umpires called the game, and the Dodgers started giving away baseball vouchers instead of baseballs.

Last night's game shows one of the reasons a one-game playoff is a bad idea. (There are other reasons, too.) Questionable calls are part of the game - playing at least 2 out of 3 would lessen their effect.
I say no. If a team wants to avoid the one game playoff they need to get the job done in the regular season, many fan bases have littered the field in anger, its apart of the game. Life goes on.
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Hometown of Jason Witten
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Considering their lousy defense in this game, some of the debris might have been aimed at the Braves.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:30 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Considering their lousy defense in this game, some of the debris might have been aimed at the Braves.
They should have thrown some at Chipper Jones since he made it clear at the end of the game he didn't care about the loss
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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They should have thrown some at Chipper Jones since he made it clear at the end of the game he didn't care about the loss
and his mom for bringing him into this world
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:55 PM
 
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St.Louis got a raw deal in the second inning when Atlanta got an extra at bat after they struck out for out #3...and the guy hit a 2-run homer. There were lots of Cards fans in the stadium but none of them threw crap on the field - even though their team got jobbed.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It is illogical to claim that one play caused the defeat of the Cardinals in the Series, it took all of the plays in all four of their losses to defeat them. Some of those plays involved good/bad luck, but it is foolish to single out one as any more critical than any other. That particular Game Six featured a fine illustration of my point. In the same inning where the Cardinals lost an out to the bad umpire call, they lost another out when 1b Jack Clark and c Darrell Porter came together under a foul pop, and each thinking the other had it, allowed it to drop safely. The batter, Bye Bye Balboni, then singled to keep the inning alive. That was another out that St. Louis lost, every bit as damaging in terms of losing the game, but you treat it as a non event in favor of claiming the bad call determined everything.
What you can do is look at the odds of a team scoring when the first batter is out versus the first batter reaching base and estimate the probability of that call costing the Cardinals the Series. It was an atrocious call...the play was not even close. After 27 years i am kinda glad now, George Brett and the Royals, got a ring, but it was an atrocious call that should not be minimized. Players that make errors get donged (i.e. Bill Buckner) so should umps. Buckner's error only increased the odds of the Red Sox losing the Series.
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