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Old 11-15-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Hunter will turn 38 years old next July and will turn 39 in the second year of the contract. Does that not increase the probability of his not being able to earn the money?
Yes.

But he'd have to drop off far below any reasonable expectation to not earn his money.

Could that happen? Of course.

Most likely he'll be a 2-3 WAR player and produce to, or beyond, his contract.

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The risk is already built into the contract. If he were 27 and coming off of the same season what type of deal do you think he would have gotten?

I've already compared him to Angel Pagan. Pagan is 30 we'll see what kind of contract he ends up with.

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Old 11-15-2012, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Jays-Marlins mega-deal under review
Bud Selig reviewing pending Miami Marlins-Toronto Blue Jays deal - ESPN

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ROSEMONT, Ill. -- Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig says he is examining the pending blockbuster trade between the Miami Marlins and Toronto Blue Jays and is aware of the fan anger in South Florida.

Speaking at the conclusion of the owners' meetings, Selig said Thursday the trade hasn't officially been presented to him. But he said the matter is under review and he talked to two independent baseball people who feel the Marlins did well in the proposed swap.

Miami has agreed to send All-Star shortstop Jose Reyes and pitchers Mark Buehrle and Josh Johnson to Toronto for a group of the Blue Jays' top prospects. The trade is pending physicals, but many Marlins fans are upset with the deal since the team just moved into a new publicly financed ballpark.

I can't recall a baseball commissioner intervening to block a player movement between clubs since Bowie Kuhn frustrated Charlie Finley's attempt to sell off his A's stars in the mid '70's. I also don't think that this sort of action is what the owners had in mind when they reconstituted the office of commissioner and bumped Selig up from his acting commissioner role.

I'd be surprised if anything came of this, I think it is just a show of public concern on behalf of the angry Marlins fans, to make them think that MLB cares. Selig appears to be setting us up for ruling the deal acceptable.
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and he talked to two independent baseball people who feel the Marlins did well in the proposed swap.
Surely he has received negative evaluations of this deal, but he only mentions the two positive ones.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Speaking of Bud (and not really a "hot stove" topic, but whatever), here's his recent response to a requested update on the A's stadium issue:
"I'd be disappointed if you didn't ask," he said. "You're not going to get a f#%**%} answer."
A's to San Jose? Bud Selig's choice words
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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That Jeffrey Loria used to own the Montreal Expos,, he sold our team to Washington..

http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/201...-with-marlins/

Marlins fans might want to worry about whether they'll even have a team in the near future.

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Old 11-16-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Default Blue Jays Being Really Aggressive

Sources: Melky Cabrera Signs With Blue Jays

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Free-agent outfielder Melky Cabrera has agreed to a two-year contract worth $16 million with the Toronto Blue Jays, sources told ESPN.

ESPNDeportes.com's Enrique Rojas reported the agreement earlier Friday. Finalization of the deal hinges on Cabrera passing a physical, according to a source.
Melky Cabrera agrees to two-year deal with Toronto Blue Jays, according to sources - ESPN


That is a better deal for Cabrera than most have been speculating. Had he escaped detection he most likely would be signing a much longer pact, but since he didn't the common wisdom seemed to be that some club would take a one year chance on him for one or two million and some incentives.

The Blue Jays seem to have decided that an opportunity window has opened in the AL East and that 2013 is the season to go for it all.

If they get the .850 OPS player Cabrera has been the last two seasons, the Blue Jays will have hit the jackpot. If they get the .725 OPS guy he was before KC and SF..............

However it works out, it should be an interesting before/after PEDs case study.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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However it works out, it should be an interesting before/after PEDs case study.
Sample Size = 1 ?

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That is a better deal for Cabrera than most have been speculating. Had he escaped detection he most likely would be signing a much longer pact, but since he didn't the common wisdom seemed to be that some club would take a one year chance on him for one or two million and some incentives.
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My team is going to have to take some risks, so getting Melky on a 1 year $6.5 million deal while he tries to rebuild his image and value could pay off handsomely.
I knew a couple million wouldn't be enough. I thought there was a chance a team would offer him a bigger deal.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Sample Size = 1 ?


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Yeah, okay. Drop "case study" and substitute some phrase suggestive of how it will be interesting to see if the sans PEDs Cabrera can perform at his recently established levels.

That work for you?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Yeah, okay. Drop "case study" and substitute some phrase suggestive of how it will be interesting to see if the sans PEDs Cabrera can perform at his recently established levels.

That work for you?
Drew Stubbs hit .321/.364 in 2011. Providing 2.6 WAR
Drew Stubbs hit .277/.333 in 2012. Providing 1.3 WAR

No failed PED test.

If Melky performs substantially worse in 2013 than in 2012, that is 0 evidence that PED's are the reason.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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Drew Stubbs hit .321/.364 in 2011. Providing 2.6 WAR
Drew Stubbs hit .277/.333 in 2012. Providing 1.3 WAR

No failed PED test.

If Melky performs substantially worse in 2013 than in 2012, that is 0 evidence that PED's are the reason.
Of course it would be evidence. It isn't a sufficient amount of evidence to assert any reliable conclusions, but it remains evidence.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Back and Forth FRANCE
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About the marlins:

Correct if I wrong but wasn't the attendance pretty bad anyway. I don't get the logic in building a new stadium if no one is going to watch you play.
Even before the new stadium not many seemed to care about the team.
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