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Old 10-26-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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At least we all get free tacos on October 30th...something to look forward to!
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The Tigers beat two of those six in the post-season.

Any talk of the Tigers deserving or not deserving to be there is moot.
The Giants are going to win the World Series by beating two teams that were each 7 games above .500, quite possibly in seven consecutive wins, five of them on the road, thanks to the miracle of divisional play and multiple wildcards.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The Tigers beat two of those six in the post-season.

Any talk of the Tigers deserving or not deserving to be there is moot.
The Giants are very likely to win the World Series by beating two teams that were each 7 games above .500, thanks to the miracle of divisional play and multiple wildcards.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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The Giants are going to win the World Series by beating two teams that were each 7 games above .500, quite possibly in seven consecutive wins, five of them on the road, thanks to the miracle of divisional play and multiple wildcards.
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The Giants are very likely to win the World Series by beating two teams that were each 7 games above .500, thanks to the miracle of divisional play and multiple wildcards.
What's your point?
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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How is he looking after five shutout innings with six whiffs?
Madison Bumgarner Not Outstanding, Yet Outstanding | FanGraphs Baseball
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Itís always impossible to separate pitching from hitting. Hopelessly impossible, at least over a small sample like seven innings in one game. We know that sometimes hitters hit good pitches and sometimes they hit bad ones. We know that sometimes hitters miss good pitches and sometimes they miss bad ones. We canít really identify a good pitch or a bad pitch on the fly, though, not reliably, because thereís always a counter argument. If a hitter misses what seems like a mistake, well, maybe there was deception in the pitcherís motion, or maybe it was the result of good sequencing. If a hitter hits a good pitch, maybe the pitcher telegraphed what he was throwing, or maybe the movement was too flat. We canít say for sure whether Madison Bumgarner was excellent on Thursday, whether the Tigers were just bad, or something in between. Bumgarnerís stuff looked unspectacular, yet his statistical results were spectacular, and we donít know how much of that to credit to him. Some. Not none, or all.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Fair enough.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Not even close to being true.
They were 6th in the AL in batting runs and 2nd in base running runs.

They were 6th overall in the AL combining batting and base running runs about 88 runs ahead of the last place Mariners and 110 runs behind the first place Angels

*American League Team Stats Ľ 2012 Ľ Batters Ľ WAR Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball
It's completely true. Their best hitters weren't contact hitters, struck out a lot, and not one of them broke .300. Not exactly the kind of lineup that's going to keep a pitching staff of Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister up at night. The A's were gritty and they were the kind of club that never stopped playing from behind, but their lineup frequently put them at a disadvantage against the Tigers.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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It's completely true. Their best hitters weren't contact hitters, struck out a lot, and not one of them broke .300.
So you think that Juan Pierre .307 average, 6% strike outs is a better hitter than:
Josh Willingham .260, 23% K's
Josh Hamilton .285, 26% K's
Matt Holliday .295, 19% K's
?
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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So you think that Juan Pierre .307 average, 6% strike outs is a better hitter than:
Josh Willingham .260, 23% K's
Josh Hamilton .285, 26% K's
Matt Holliday .295, 19% K's
?
No, but I'm not talking about Juan Pierre.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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No, but I'm not talking about Juan Pierre.
But he's a contact hitter who didn't strike out a lot and hit over .300



I'm totally willing to hear your argument that Oakland had a below average offense, but you have to support your argument with actual data.
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